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My Experience with Juice Cleanses

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First, I need to note that I'm not trying to preach juicing. However, I do think it's a good experience and is a short term investment that can offer long term rewards. I guess the same can be said about LSD and skydiving, but I'm not keen on LSD so I can understand if juicing sounds crazy.

If you have any curiosity about the health benefits and repercussions, check out Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead. It's a documentary you can watch for free online, Netflix, or Hulu. It's a juicing experiment that follows two subjects: a wealthy business man and an average joe truck driver. They both live with vicarious vasculitis, an auto-immune disorder that causes the body to break out in chronic hives. I decided to try juicing after watching this documentary.

People approach juicing with different intentions. Some call it a juice cleanse and view it as a detox method, while others are looking for a quick weight loss solution. While I did want to lose some weight, I really wanted to see if I had the constitution to do it. Turns out I didn't. I cheated, which I'll get more into later.

Here are a few common questions I'm asked:

Q: Is juicing expensive?
A: It's important to remember that it's a short term investment. Yes, grocery shopping was more costly than my normal runs, but I only needed to commit to it for a week and a half. Very doable. I also choice to try it when I had some time off, since I'd be too tempted to venture out for lunch at work.

Q: I would die. How are you not dead?
A: No fucking clue. In retrospect, I always think I should be. It's amazing how little the body needs to survive, and in turn, it's amazing how much food we are served and consume.

Q: Did you have a shit ton of energy?
A: Yes and no. The first few days suck. A lot. Day 2 and Day 3 are the most difficult. During both my fasts, my girlfriend and I were unbelievably cranky on day 3. We quickly surmised that the anger (hangryness?) was the result of the fast, and agreed not to talk to each other and keep it peaceful. We were quite venomous during this time. After this, though, things started to settle. And as long as I wasn't starving myself and drank when I was hungry, I discovered that I would have these odd bouts of antsiness. I just felt like I had to move, so I would run or knock out some pushups until the feeling went away. Keep in mind that I am not a very active person when I'm not working. These were odd for me, but I just didn't want to keep still.

Q: Were you hungry all the time?
A: No. There's an important distinction to be made here. A glass of juice for breakfast, lunch, and dinner does not replace your daily food intake. Even the juice plans that are offered online provide 6 or so bottles per day, but I drank a big glass of juice (or water if I was feeling lazy) when I was hungry. I did get hungry more often, but I was not in a constant state of torment.

Q: Did you lose weight?
A: Yes. Quite a bit on the first run. Less on the second.

Here are my experiences.

18 months ago.

I walk my dog daily. I lived in a second story apartment, and had to walk up a flight of stairs to return home. I always found myself huffing and puffing by the time I got to the top. I can't really pinpoint when the weight gain started, but adulthood had not treated me the way I expected when I as a teenager. I weighed 150 lbs (68 kg) out of high school and came in at 185 lbs (83kg) after college. Freshman 15, my ass. From then til 18 months ago, I had put on more weight topping off at 192 lbs (87kg). This made me clinically obese for my height.

One night, I spent half an hour looking for something to watch on Hulu/Netflix. I stumbled upon The Great Chicken Wing Hunt, a documentary on a buffalo wing lover and his team of judges looking for the best wings in New York. This grabbed my attention because I hated chicken wings. I could never understand why people ate them, so I watched it in hopes of discovering their attraction. If the irony here doesn't hit you...

Anyway, I learned about buffalo wings and learned to appreciate them. I still don't like most of them, but I do eat them on occasion. I feel that this is important because it doesn't take a health nut to try a juice fast.

One of the recommended titles from Hulu based on what I just watched was Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead. I had heard about the film but completely forgot about the flick. I figured I would give it a shot. Aside from being a good documentary with a nice little animated segment explaining the lead characters' medical condition, I found the film inspiring enough to consider juicing. I already had a juicer that was collecting dust (couldn't tell you where or when we got it). I liked fruits and veggies. I had a few weeks off. And I had nothing to lose. I ran it by the GF who agreed to join me on the experiment. We started the next day.

Day 1 was exciting. A whole of "Yea, I can do this!" even when the hunger set in later in the evening. I tried a few veggie recipes out that I found online. They were horrid. All the people that gave them 5 stars are nuts, except the recipes with ginger. I liked that bit of spicy. No serious complaints about day one, though I do have to admit that it cleaned me out. Read that as to about 4 trips to the restroom on Day 1, and not to pee.

I remember waking up on Day 2 to a huge appetite. The juicing process had already become a pain in the ass and the temptation to grab a bite to eat instead of fuss with cleaning the juicer five times a day was already rearing its head. If you decide to juice carrots, do them last. They leave a ton of pulp behind and the bits can clog parts of the filter, resulting in less juice from the ingredients that come after.

I ran to the market to grab some items for a few new recipes I found and learned that I was much more fond of the sweeter fruit drinks (25% apple, 25% orange, 50% carrots became a favorite). I started getting headaches halfway through Day 2, so I drank black coffee to help. I'm sure this totally went against the detox policy, but it couldn't hurt the weight loss plan.

Day 3... ugh! The headache here was the worst. Coffee didn't help, and neither did the pain relievers I took to top it off. As I mentioned before, my girlfriend and I were very irritable on this day, so we agreed not to talk to each other. No amount of juice consumption or distraction helped either. I stuck with various combinations of fruit juices and made it through the day, but this was honestly when I wanted to throw in the towel. I think, if anyone can make it through these three days the rest is easy by comparison.

I feel like Day 4 was a big transition day. Having I believed would be the worst of it (and it was), it didn't make sense to give up. My appetite was also smaller than it had been, and I was juicing a bit less. Consequently, I also began to run out of fruits but had a stockpile of veggies left. My last few glasses were self concocted, mostly carrots with some kale, carrots and fruits. Knowing that the following day would be the half way mark kept me going. I was less grumpy, too.

Day 5 was an odd day. I awoke to a weird soreness in my butt that ran down the back of my thighs, calves, and into the soles of my feet. I hadn't read or heard any similar stories, but I figured my body needed some protein. To fight this, we made a pot of bean soup. Water, pinto beans, onions, garlic, and other miscellaneous veggies (no salt). Considering the ingredients, I convinced myself that it wasn't too far off the juice mark. I felt better a few hours later. My attitude had improved a great deal despite this. I felt normal again.

Days 6, 7, and 8 were wholly uneventful. By then I had the routine down. I made fruity drinks for breakfast and straight veggie drinks for the remainder of the day. I still drank glasses of water when I got lazy, but I was also drinking less. Occasionally, I'd munch on a few raw almonds if a food craving hit me. I made sure to count them out because absentminded snacking is the devil. I generally picked out 6 at a time, with no more than 12 per day. I'm still surprised that such a small amount was enough to curb the food craving. I also found it interesting that I didn't poop at all these days. I guess it makes sense, but it was still odd. Energy levels were normal around this time until the end with spurts of the aforementioned antsiness occurring now and then.

Day 9 was my birthday. I juiced for the early and middle part of the day, but my parents, gf, and I went out for a steak dinner. I couldn't finish it all, but I ordered desert anyway (gasp!). I couldn't finish that either. So sad, haha.

I kept track of my daily weight losses and gains, but I unfortunately no longer have my notes. I remember that I weighed an extra pound and change after the meal, and lost a half pound or so when I dropped a deuce the next day. Pretty gross, haha.

That big cheat took a toll on my motivation, but since Day 10 was supposed to be the final day, I stuck it out. I still had a ton of ingredients at the end of Day 10, so I added an 11th day to compensate for the big dinner.

At the end of it all, I lost 24 lbs (10.8 kg) in 11 days - 192 lbs (87 kg) to 168 lbs (76.2 kg). This is atypical. For my second round, I only lost half a pound per day, and didn't have the associated leg pains. My girlfriend lost half of the 24 the first time around, which was pretty odd considering we had exactly the same diet and general activity levels. I don't remember her getting the random bursts of energy, but I doubt my little extra activity could make that much of a difference.

We celebrated by going to our favorite burger joint and ordering a plate each. I was ready to chow down. I only ate half the burger and I couldn't even touch the garlic fries... the reason for which I believe is the biggest benefits of juicing - reduced appetite.

Over the next year, I only ate until I was full, and no more. This would insult some of my friends who made home cooked meals ("You didn't like it?!"), and result in a lot of to-go boxes at restaurants, but the benefit outweighed that (selfish, I know). I wasn't getting tired after meals anymore, either.

My palette also changed and I am more fond of certain veggies than I previously was. I hated celery and bok choy, but now I don't mind them. I thought kale was a bit too bitter, but now I enjoy it. I still eat all of the same things I did before (pizza, burgers, steaks, cheesecakes, cakes, pies... buffalo wings!), but in moderation and I'm more inclined to choose a healthier option when available (~75% of the time). I can't stand lettuce, though, so I'll usually only get spinach or kale salads, and always with a protein or nuts. We grill a lot at home now and try to stick to meats and veggies. I can make a mean seared ahi tuna steak, but only because I'm an awful cook and it's easy to prepare.

Another side effect from the process that resulted from the good home cooking is that I don't eat fast food (particularly burgers, and I LOVE burgers) or at family-style chain restaurants anymore. I wish I could say it's because I know better and that fast food is unhealthy, but it's because I don't have a tolerance for poor quality food anymore. I do not consider myself a foodie, but my appreciation for quality grub is higher and my tolerance for poor quality food is lower.

I kept my weight between 171-173 lbs up until six weeks ago. After this last round of holidays, I bumped up to 176.6 (omg, 4 lbs., how horrible...), but more than that I noticed that I was eating large helpings again. I went was going to my local lunch spot at work, but placed my usual order and then some. And I was still unsatisfied. It was a horrible sign.

I juiced again for 7 days this past week, much to the same tune as the first time, sans the odd leg pain. I only lost 3.5 lbs, but the shrunken stomach happened again. My appetite was more manageable today than during the break, and I had a little more than half of this mornings' breakfast omelette before I felt right.

I hope my experiences are interesting to some. Thanks for taking the time to read it!

TL: DR
Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead. Interesting movie.
 
Good for you, its amazing how your life changes when you learn more about how your body reacts to food.
You're probably on a path that will make you much happier and healthier in the long run.

My similar story:
Concerning major food changing experiences my "Jucing" was the good old USMC.

We went through a period of 4 days out in the wilderness (California scrub desert) during boot camp when you effectively eat only one time. This changes your life because most people never really feel hunger.
They might feel hungry, and even then they mainly feel bored. I catch my self feeling hungry because I'm bored and just like you said a quick spat of exercise makes that hungry feeling fly away.

The amazing thing is that after a bout with real hunger you look at food in a very, very different way.
After boot camp I went directly to the fattiest greaziest place I could get to - McDonalds.
I ordered a bunch of stuff and couldn't even take more than a bite of half of it. Not only did I need less food (and I was running at maximum capacity in boot camp), my my palate had completely changed.
My eating went back to near normal, but I ate healthier because it tasted better. To this day I can't stand McDonalds and will only eat it as a last resort or when I'm outside the US.

Years later when I got injured and had a huge change in lifestyle. I went from running 3 miles in 18 minutes to not being able to walk 1 mile without some serious pain. Before the injury I was the insane person who would run for fun. Yeah, for fun, I would drink a 6-pack put on the headphones and run in a random direction for fun! So you can imagine how drastic this change was to me.
Just before I was discharged I forced myself to run as hard as I could through the pain. 3 miles in 37 minutes, respectable under those conditions, yet it absolutely confirmed: my USMC career was over.
I started to put on weight, lots of weight, lots and lots of weight. I was 268 pounds, for a guy who could easily cut to 151 to drop a weight class in high school it was devastating . . . What's worse it was self inflicted. I did this to myself because I didn't update any of my habits for my new body and lifestyle.
I look at pictures now and I looked older at 25 than I did at 35.
It affected my attitude too, the hard charging Marine could hardly be convinced to do the job I was paid for. I got laid off and blamed it on the economy and drop of US car sales, but really it was my excuse. I was under-performing in every way no matter how many people were laid off with me.

I was 26 and depressed, reminiscing about the good days in the USMC when I remembered my lessons learned about hunger and how different it was from hungry. I tried to figure out what I really need to survive and prosper. It was a painful process at first, but I had a good frame of reference and some cooking skill to rely on.
Now I'm back to 190 and its an easy and comfortable weight to keep. I cook healthy and splurge on crazy food when I really get the urge, there's no rule, I just follow what my body is telling me instead of what my imagination fixates on. The end result is much, much better.

Although being tall and skinny usually results in being mistaken for a cancer patient in the Midwest.
At least they don't think I'm on crack.

-Sorry to hijack the thread with my own story, but just confirming how great of a change you made.
Congratulations and keep up the healthy life!
 
The amazing thing is that after a bout with real hunger you look at food in a very, very different way.

Indeed! It was very unexpected.


Years later when I got injured and had a huge change in lifestyle. [...] Now I'm back to 190 and its an easy and comfortable weight to keep. I cook healthy and splurge on crazy food when I really get the urge, there's no rule, I just follow what my body is telling me instead of what my imagination fixates on.
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-Sorry to hijack the thread with my own story, but just confirming how great of a change you made.
No apology needed. Thank you for sharing!

Congratulations and keep up the healthy life!
Grats to you as well, and I will!


Fun stuff! I found a lot of my own experiences in there. It looks like we first juiced around the same time. Have you noticed any of the same persistent changes Cheese and I mentioned?

  • The Aftermath: I need to ween off the diet. You can't just have a burger at the end.
This made me laugh, and laugh, and laugh.
 
I don't know if i could ever juice. I like food way to much and i am slowly cutting back little by little. I have noticed my body doesn't handle to well to cold-turkey anything related to my system.

Today was my first day back in the gym, would have liked to had a treadmill to run on but they said they are working on it. A good deal of ab machines right now so I'll just work on that and the regular body workouts and run when i get home.

Back to juicing, interesting concept but the way i see things, anything that wants to take "the short road" the easy way out has got to come with some consequences. The main concern i face with "Quick" methods are health factors. Is this healthy for you?

But good job and keep it up. /fitgamersforlife
 
Juicing is good in my opinion if you are doing it with a real food diet. Just as an added bonus such as a protein shake would be to a daily routine with exercise. Sure my skin felt all nice an smooth for a moment, but it wasn't worth it to be starving and wasting so much food and good parts of the food I juiced into oblivion. Now if I juice I will have ONE and then go have my meals as normal.
 
In terms of diet stuffs, "detoxing" is absolutely the fucking stupidest shit out there followed very closely by crash dieting. Juicing is often pushed as a method of achieving the former and, in most applications, also ends up being the latter. Needless to say, I'm not a big fan.

With that said, there are definitely a few legitimate takeaways from your experience. Eating fresh, healthier foods regularly definitely alters your palate and exposes just how crappy a lot of food is. Tilting your diet away from processed foods towards more vegetables (and some fruit) is almost always a good move and a juicer can be a particularly handy tool for achieving that goal.

I'd just strongly recommend not going for the long juice-only periods. Cutting hard for more than a day or two actually tends to have a negative effect on your overall metabolism even if you lose a bunch of weight from the sheer lack of intake. The end result is that it's a pretty inefficient means of weight loss and dramatically increases the chance of a weight rebound. Fasting isn't inherently bad, of course. It actually has some pretty interesting net positive metabolic effects if done periodically for short durations (e.g., no caloric intake for 24 hours only once every x weeks). You just don't want to extend a fast or extreme calorie deficit over a period of days or weeks.

If you feel the weight creeping just try substituting out a meal a day for the juice (if that's your method of choice now) instead or just try to recognize what's changed and reverse it. Cut portion sizes a little, change up the ratios of your meals (less meat/fat/bread, more veggies), make sure you're not too inactive, etc. Hell, you could also take up lifting as a hobby and you'd probably find that you'd have the opposite problem (can't eat enough to maintain the weight and/or strength increases).
 
I don't know if i could ever juice. I like food way to much and i am slowly cutting back little by little. I have noticed my body doesn't handle to well to cold-turkey anything related to my system.

Back to juicing, interesting concept but the way i see things, anything that wants to take "the short road" the easy way out has got to come with some consequences. The main concern i face with "Quick" methods are health factors. Is this healthy for you?

I also like food way too much. But outside of anorexics, I don't think this makes me different from anyone else. It's true for everyone. Food is practically an addiction. I mean, I get upset when I'm hungry and it drives my thoughts when the time comes, you know? That aside, I believe there may come a time for some people when when health concerns will outweigh that need.

It's impossible to ask someone to try juicing. As with "quitting" anything, even for a little while, we need to make that decision on our own. Me quitting smoking for example. I quit once for two years of my own accord, but started back up again for reasons I cannot possibly make any sense of. The addiction is very much the same, even though the actually need for me to smoke is zero, and the need for sustenance is 100%.

I really do believe juicing has helped me. I share my story in hopes that anyone who is considering it might gain some knowledge from my experiences, and also do some research on their own.

As for it being "easy way out", I'd have to say that it's far from easy (so, so far). It's actually very difficult, as I'm sure you can imagine and I shared above. The real kicker is that it is healthy for you. Both characters in the documentary made routine doctor visits and the results from each visit reported positively. And they both juiced for MUCH longer than my little 10 day stint.

(sorry for the colors, but I'm approaching TL:DR territory).

But good job and keep it up. /fitgamersforlifec

Thx! And as much I'd like to say I will keep it up, I've already completed the short juice term twice, so I may not juice again for another year and change. I don't have much choice regarding the palette change, but I will make every effort not overeat!
 
As for it being "easy way out", I'd have to say that it's far from easy (so, so far). It's actually very difficult, as I'm sure you can imagine and I shared above. The real kicker is that it is healthy for you. Both characters in the documentary made routine doctor visits and the results from each visit reported positively. And they both juiced for MUCH longer than my little 10 day stint.

Both characters in the documentary were supposedly in extremely dire circumstances where the positive effects of simply losing a ton of weight greatly outweighed the negative effects of the crummy extreme diet plan they used. For someone who falls into a more normal state of health, this is not even close to an ideal way to do things.

You have to be careful with these kinds of documentaries. They show only a very limited view of the science of nutrition and are about as far from unbiased, comprehensive sources of quality information out there as you can get (EVEN IF they are well-intentioned at heart and the core message is respectable). I've had to pick similar beefs with people supporting Forks Over Knives, which pushes vegetarianism extremely hard. It's arguably a much worse example of these kinds of documentaries because it tried very hard to use science and "facts" to support itself but cherry-picked heavily and missed a lot of confounding factors.
 
I'd just strongly recommend not going for the long juice-only periods. Cutting hard for more than a day or two actually tends to have a negative effect on your overall metabolism even if you lose a bunch of weight from the sheer lack of intake. The end result is that it's a pretty inefficient means of weight loss and dramatically increases the chance of a weight rebound.

I had never dieted prior to my first juice session, but I avoided every other plan that advertised quick weight loss for the reason you stated: "dramatically [increased] chance of a weight rebound". However, I can say that both my gf and I have kept off the the majority of weight we lost, though I believe this is mostly due to the unexpected palette change.

Fasting isn't inherently bad, of course. It actually has some pretty interesting net positive metabolic effects if done periodically for short durations (e.g., no caloric intake for 24 hours only once every x weeks). You just don't want to extend a fast or extreme calorie deficit over a period of days or weeks.

Is juicing really 0 calories? I imagine that would be a true fast or perhaps only drinking water?

If you feel the weight creeping just try substituting out a meal a day for the juice (if that's your method of choice now) instead or just try to recognize what's changed and reverse it. Cut portion sizes a little, change up the ratios of your meals (less meat/fat/bread, more veggies), make sure you're not too inactive, etc. Hell, you could also take up lifting as a hobby and you'd probably find that you'd have the opposite problem (can't eat enough to maintain the weight and/or strength increases).

I believe in this, but it is a practice that I can preach better than perform. Yes, having a healthier lifestyle supersedes any form of dieting, but I have a hard time working out simply for the sake of dropping pounds/getting fit. I get self-conscious and bored (bad combo). I prefer, for example, to take the stairs instead of the elevator. Walk to the mailbox instead of drive (I don't even have to do that anymore since there's an outbound mailbox in my apartment). Walk to lunch instead of drive. Walk the dog instead of just taking him out front. Go for a hike with a camera in-hand, as opposed to just the hike. All the little things have helped to balance me out.

My experiences aren't targeted to everyone and I understand this. But I do believe that a 10 day juice fast can be beneficial. It really has my changed perspective on food a ton.
 
Both characters in the documentary were supposedly in extremely dire circumstances where the positive effects of simply losing a ton of weight greatly outweighed the negative effects of the crummy extreme diet plan they used. For someone who falls into a more normal state of health, this is not even close to an ideal way to do things.

I agree. Juicing is not for everyone, especially healthy folks. But it also doesn't need to be only those in dire need of weight loss. There's a middle ground that a lot of people fall into (myself included), and I think could apply to many gamers and office jockeys (of which I am both).

You have to be careful with these kinds of documentaries. They show only a very limited view of the science of nutrition and are about as far from unbiased, comprehensive sources of quality information out there as you can get (EVEN IF they are well-intentioned at heart and the core message is respectable). I've had to pick similar beefs with people supporting Forks Over Knives, which pushes vegetarianism extremely hard. It's arguably a much worse example of these kinds of documentaries because it tried very hard to use science and "facts" to support itself but cherry-picked heavily and missed a lot of confounding factors.

Vegetarianism is interesting. At our core, people are omnivorous so I believe we should eat meat and veggies. I suspect we would be our healthiest if we just sort of followed the natural order. That would eliminate most grain based products, since we as cavemen wouldn't normally chomp on stalks of wheat or grains. I may just be saying this to mask the fact that I love meat and could never give it up.

That said, I'm not going to try and convince a vegan/veggie/fruitarian/gluten free person to go outside of their diet, and I hope that they do not try to alter mine.

Yes, the facts for their visits were probably cherry picked, but I have to wonder to what end? When the documentary was released, I don't believe they were sponsored by Breville or had ads for juicers on their site until much later. In fact, no products are pushed in the film at all. They also weren't the fanatics that we tend to find for a lot of diets. They were fundamentally guinea pigs.

I don't think 10 days of juicing would have any longer term negative effects than say, 10 days of me eating fast-food. On the contrary, I think I've had more long term positive effects.
 
Is juicing really 0 calories? I imagine that would be a true fast or perhaps only drinking water?

It depends on how much juice you're drinking and what it is that you're converting into juice. It obviously won't be 0 calories but it is very likely to be too low. Fruits/veggies are not even remotely calorically dense, so even in juice form you'd have to drink a TON to get your intake up. You don't really want to be drinking that much fruit juice, anyway, as that would represent a pretty huge spike in sugar intake (fruit juice is scarcely better than soda in terms of sugar content).

That said, if you're losing two pounds per day on average over a 10 day period you are absolutely crash dieting. Two pounds per week would be a pretty good goal under more sustainable, realistic diets. The main concern is just keeping your metabolism relatively high and stable. If you swing too much in terms of intake you can definitely fuck up your body's response to food.
 
It depends on how much juice you're drinking and what it is that you're converting into juice. It obviously won't be 0 calories but it is very likely to be too low. Fruits/veggies are not even remotely calorically dense, so even in juice form you'd have to drink a TON to get your intake up. You don't really want to be drinking that much fruit juice, anyway, as that would represent a pretty huge spike in sugar intake (fruit juice is scarcely better than soda in terms of sugar content).

That said, if you're losing two pounds per day on average over a 10 day period you are absolutely crash dieting. Two pounds per week would be a pretty good goal under more sustainable, realistic diets. The main concern is just keeping your metabolism relatively high and stable. If you swing too much in terms of intake you can definitely fuck up your body's response to food.

Interesting. You have a good head for this. Makes me wonder what your approach and results would be if you were to document it.
 
I typically stay away from juices because I love meat... But as an illustrative example:

Me and my younger brother are close in age (I am about 3 years older), similarly built and are both very active (workout 3-5 times a week). I don't juice at all and he goes on juice stints every x weeks or so.

He does explain to me that he feels better after a juice, whether that means he cleaned out his system or just feels mentally satisfied for enduring a challenge. Aesthetically we don't look different probably because we are both active and watch our diet, but perhaps if he was overweight the story would be different.

I'm not convinced this is something me (personally) should do just because I need the calories with my lifestyle. I work long days and then run to the gym and raid 3 nights a week (which is mentally exhausting) so if I am not consuming the calories I am burning it would be bad news for me.

Also working in healthcare I know what "unhealthy" weight loss is, and some of the things I have read make me believe this is not something I want to do. If I wanted to clean out my system, I would also just enema and be done with it.

Just my perspective. But kudos to those that have the constitution to do it.


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