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So at first glance, and I mean just looking at the pictures, this pretty much screams of sexism. But when you read the article... you begin to feel a little less inclined to agree with the author and a bit more inclined to see her agenda.


My name is Alanah Pearce and I’m a videogame journalist. I write for various websites, and make regular videos for four separate YouTube channels. I present on one TV show and for Xbox Australia on the Xbox Dashboard. I make news videos, review videos, I host events, I interview developers and I really, really love what I do.


I also happen to be female.


From March 7 – April 7, I documented everything blatantly sexist anyone has said to me. None of these comments were provoked, none of them were replies to something I said, none of them were at all out of the ordinary and the vast majority of them (an original count of 77 images) have been taken out so that this post isn’t as long as it probably should be. This is a 10-picture indication of what it’s like to be a woman who endorses game culture, every single month.


Before I record the videos I create for various different companies I change my shirt from the loosely fitting singlet I usually wear during the day, to a high-collared t-shirt that will minimise my chances of being objectified. It’s less comfortable, it’s not what I would generally choose to wear, but I do it in attempt to avoid comments about my breasts, my chest, and my physique in general – I try to negate any harassment I possibly can.


I realise this attitude I’ve forced on myself is backward. Instead of presenting as I’d like to I cover up in defence. My presentation suffers for it. I fidget with the collars, I play with the sleeves, I adjust the generally over-sized t-shirts and they often make me uncomfortably sweaty. Alas, I’m willing to let my career suffer in that aspect – however small – in attempt to minimise objectification.


Obviously, it doesn’t work. Instead of having people disregard gender entirely as it really shouldn’t be relevant to a video about game news, there are streams of responses from men complaining that a woman hasn’t revealed herself to them, as though it’s expected or it’s their right to ask for that. Not only is this incredibly discouraging – these videos take hours and hours of effort to create – it’s easy to feel like you simply can’t win. You can only ignore the comments, but that would make responding to the pleasant viewers or the ones who ask genuine questions impossible.


When I first made videos, however, I didn’t change out of the singlets I’d wear every day. People would comment disrespectfully about my choice of clothing, but if I complained, they’d call me a bitch or ask if I was “on my period”. Women are told they deserve to have men make derogatory statements about their chest if it is at all visible, as though that’s an invitation or a fault. That’s downright wrong – no human being should ever have to cater the way they look, what they’re comfortable wearing or their presentation in any way to avoid being sexually harassed. Instead, people should stop sexually harassing.


Even if it isn’t a direct comment on the way a woman looks or a complaint that her breasts aren’t on display, it’s a comment that is disgusting or enough to make a reasonable person uncomfortable. I don’t want to know that ‘sephiroth4465’ is watching my videos and objectifying me in this way.


I’ve seriously reconsidered my career choices over comments like these because, honestly, if I was getting comments like this in any other workplace, I’d leave. It’s demoralising, it’s discouraging, it takes the work you’re proud of and tells you it’s worth absolutely nothing more than the sexual value that is tied to your gender.
And honestly, “it’s the internet” is not an excuse for someone to sexually harass someone by any means, let alone someone in a professional setting. These kind of extremely invasive and excessively vulgar comments are physically sickening.


Then, of course, there are comments that seem nice but are equally inherently sexist. In the picture above, ‘JackArtStudios’ has thanked me for wearing uncomfortable t-shirts and used some hugely negative stereotypes. Some women may exploit their sexuality for views but others do it for comfort, or because they didn’t want to change their clothing. Or because they didn’t consider anyone would be indecent enough to harass them because they’re physically female. There is no logical reason to assume that any woman has changed her apparel to appeal to you.

By ‘thanking’ a woman for catering her clothing to your ideals, you are telling her you’d respect her much less if she hadn’t worn what you consider to be decent. While I always, always appreciate positivity (and the comment on the content, hooray!) this just further reinforces the idea that women can’t wear whatever they like without compromising perceptions of their professionalism. There is no choice here, and the same kind of comments regularly apply to make-up. If you’re wearing obvious amounts of make-up or wearing a certain kind of clothing, it’ll likely be assumed you want attention and your content or integrity will be disregarded, even though you probably aren’t wearing either of those things to appeal to anyone but yourself.


The first line of this message suggests, once again, that I must be catering the way I look to appeal to male audiences when I actually just like the colour purple. What’s far more offensive than being told you can’t look a certain way is the inexplicable amount of people telling women they only got their job because they’re a female.
Saying something like this is almost as offensive as having yourself belittled to nothing more than a pair of boobs in a video – it discredits all of my work, which he likely knows nothing about (and hasn’t bothered to check) simply because of my gender. I could go on an rant about the hard work I’ve put into making myself a part of the games industry, yet I would still regularly have people tell me that the only way I’ve gotten anywhere is because my sexual organs are different to theirs.

It’s this kind of attitude that forces women to work unreasonably hard before they’re taken seriously or able to establish themselves professionally. The fact is, no woman is less deserving of any position than a man is. It’s also unreasonable and unrealistic to assume you know the motives of any producer or editor or their hiring processes. Presenting is, in some (definitely not all) cases, undoubtedly easier for women to get into, but this should never mean they be stripped of all credit. Work ethic should be judged equally upon both genders, instead of women naturally being assumed to lack skill or use their gender to cheat their way into success.


‘coywhitehartbboy’ left this comment on a photo I took of a statue of Connor Kenway, where I jokingly called him my fiancé. I’m fairly sure he took that literally, but either way this post is insinuating I avidly promote gamer or geek culture in attempt to appeal to men or “#Market” myself. Instead of simply accepting that hundreds of thousands of women very openly have genuine passion for these things, this man and many others like him try to suggest that women are falsely trying to lure them in.

Not only is this attitude hugely egocentric, it also promotes huge amounts of negativity and encourages the ‘testing’ of women who like these things. It creates an obscene and close-minded standard where, unless a woman proves she likes something, people will assume she’s doing it in attempt to market herself.


Women are laughably regularly proposed to for endorsing game culture, but that entire idea is horribly shallow and these comments are sexist in themselves. I would never want to establish a relationship with a man who “wants to make babies” with me solely because I’ve posted a picture my gaming merchandise, and all that’s really doing is completely disregarding my personality or my integrity. It’s an insult to be told you’re ‘perfect’ or ‘attractive’ for something as daft as a hobby, particularly if you take pride in the content you produce, or (god forbid) your actual personality. There is nothing desirable about that kind of attention whatsoever, it’s little more than an insult, and it’d be far preferable if there was absolutely no reaction to a woman openly endorsing games at all. That overreaction and uncomfortable, unfounded affection is sexism. It should be treated like any other hobby – how would you react if a woman said she liked shoes? You wouldn’t, and you shouldn’t.

If jerks on the internet are given a free-pass and allowed to hide behind anonymity when they’re being sexist to someone, then there’s absolutely no reason you can’t use that same anonymity to criticise or educate them. Honestly, just seeing one down-vote or having one person stick up for me is a part of the reason I’m still here and I’m not going to stop fighting. Every single person has the power to fight sexism.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/04/30-days-of-sexism/

Now our community is all about this kind of open attitude while not bringing in the gaming culture of racism, sexism, gender issues, etc etc. But what we get here is someone who says "There is no logical reason to assume that any woman has changed her apparel to appeal to you."

uhm... have you met this ex porn star?
http://lizkatz.com/

Liz Katz:



And better yet have you seen her "Fund Raiser"?

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sexy-princess-peach-cosplay--13/x/3015657

No of course women would NEVER use their boobs for leverage.. OF COURSE NOT... sigh.. that fund raiser makes my brain hurt... Buy me a 2200 $ lens I don't know how to use and I will give you a photo of me.... For Fucks SAKE!

Did you know a large majority of porn stars have turned to Cosplay to keep the money flowing as the porn industry takes a dive due to online piracy?

http://kotaku.com/5876723/thank-this-japanese-porn-star-for-edgy-cosplay/

http://kotaku.com/5969997/the-year-in-cosplay

The list really does go on. Look up the porn industry tanking and the take off of cosplay.

Then mix in Youtube channel where people sit infront of the camera and talk about their day and you get a butt ton of followers as you would any "celebrity" but these celebrities have found a way to wear less than porn stars and the world is OK with it.

Anyway, I will let you guys discuss this more. Some links are NSFW btw.
 
Sure, I'd be down.

I think we should avoid more GW2 discussion; we've talked a lot about how the game has continually let us down, and we have a list of other solid topics we can cover unless anyone has strong conviction otherwise.

Vote here for mobile, although it'd need to avoid touching on topics of web game "legitimacy" so to speak, for obvious reasons. =/

Upon super-fast first glance, the sexism article looks interesting, too. I actually have an issue with the author's failure to identify the underlying punchline of WHY the gender divide can exist and what perpetuates it in the first place, both on and off the internet. Because there are FAR less vulgar, more "socially acceptable" statements that can carry the same weight (more in cases where the source actually appears credible), whether intentional by the speaker or not. I haven't figured out the "how" yet myself, but it'd be interesting to discuss. (although not so sure this is where you were intending of taking this article's discussion when you listed it, Tristan lol) In general, I'm a bit disappointed that the article doesn't go much farther than "men can be horny objectifying dicks on the internet" and "it devalues me and all womenkind," which strike me as obvious, bland, and a bit dramatic. But maybe it's just me :p

I'll work to think up some more topic ideas, too.
 
I'm out of state this weekend but otherwise would be interested in doing podcasts when I'm available.

On a side note I have to disagree with that article, that is not sexism. That's douche bag guys on the internet (a fair number of which are probably 11 or 12 and don't know how to express their new feelings) being douche bag guys on the internet. I know she said "it's the internet" isn't a good excuse but she is seriously misunderstanding her medium. The internet is *still* a new thing and a wildly unregulated universe where you will, on a daily basis, encounter the lowest common denominator. Of course those comments would not be acceptable in a professional workplace environment, and with the exception of a few extreme cases you will never hear them in a professional workplace environment for that reason.

Having (wo)men treat your career differently because you're a (wo)man is sexism, having (wo)men treat your appearance differently because you're a (wo)man is inappropriate.
 
30 days of Manufactured Sexism

Don't get me wrong, I think her article is a whiny rant, too, but I'm not sure "manufactured" is fair here. Consider the second half of Merriam-Webster's definition of sexism:
sex·ism
noun\ˈsek-ˌsi-zəm\
1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially discrimination against women
2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

Not trying to nail you on a technicality, but what she's whining about is technically a form of sexism. Commenters who post about assigning a sexual gender role to her perpetuate that perception. Period. That's just how social human brains work.

And that's about as far as I'll go to defend that article.

The reason she's complaining in this case is that she finds this particular perception personally offensive. If someone writes a comment praising her for being a professional woman, I would be surprised to see her respond with an article against it. I also find it extremely naive for her to expect every comment made on her YouTube videos to be about their intellectual content. I'm not condoning the derogatory commentary, but she chose to display her work on a medium that invites that kind of response, and what she's not acknowledging is how many incremental YouTube viewers she gets because she's female. Sexism goes both ways.

That said, I take personal offense to her perpetuating the notion that women should see themselves as victims of this type of commentary and idiocy on the internet. Furthermore, masking her upset and frustration that some set of commenters who probably thought they clicked on a porn video and found themselves disappointed and/or incapable of intelligent response aren't praising her professional work by calling it social injustice and sexual harassment undermines sexual harassment as an actual problem.
 
Don't get me wrong, I think her article is a whiny rant, too, but I'm not sure "manufactured" is fair here. Consider the second half of Merriam-Webster's definition of sexism:


Not trying to nail you on a technicality, but what she's whining about is technically a form of sexism. Commenters who post about assigning a sexual gender role to her perpetuate that perception. Period. That's just how social human brains work.

Ok, but what stereotypes of social roles based on gender are being displayed here? Her complaint in the article is that she's being treated differently as a journalist based on her gender; the fact that she's a journalist isn't part of it at all, she's receiving these offensive comments as a publicly visible female. If someone were to say that her opinion on video games didn't matter because she's a woman that's sexism, if her equally skilled and qualified male counterparts were promoted more quickly than her that's sexism. As a sexually reproducing species however there is a natural and necessary attraction between genders; is it sexist that I want to have sex with women but not men? There are socially appropriate ways to pursue this (and these comments she's talking about are stellar examples of how NOT to) and when you cross the line that is definitely sexual harassment, but I don't think that's necessarily the same thing as sexism.
 
Ok, but what stereotypes of social roles based on gender are being displayed here? Her complaint in the article is that she's being treated differently as a journalist based on her gender; the fact that she's a journalist isn't part of it at all, she's receiving these offensive comments as a publicly visible female. If someone were to say that her opinion on video games didn't matter because she's a woman that's sexism, if her equally skilled and qualified male counterparts were promoted more quickly than her that's sexism. As a sexually reproducing species however there is a natural and necessary attraction between genders; is it sexist that I want to have sex with women but not men? There are socially appropriate ways to pursue this (and these comments she's talking about are stellar examples of how NOT to) and when you cross the line that is definitely sexual harassment, but I don't think that's necessarily the same thing as sexism.

I think your second sentence answers your first question. The point is it has "nothing to do with the fact she's a journalist." Do you honestly think you'd see those types of comments in a the same magnitude if she were a man doing journalism on YouTube? I agree it's part of Internet culture, but it's still promoting the (social acceptance of the) expectation of the female serving a sexual role regardless of context. Do you really think the guys who comment on her videos about her not showing her boobs are trying to solicit her for sex? If anything it's a form of cat calling.

And I don't see sexism as a required negative. It's any difference in treatment based on sexual gender, not just negative discrimination. And on YouTube (and in the rest of the world) you'll find references like this towards females far more often than to males, be its underlying basis cultural, genetic, or (in my opinion) both.
 
I think your second sentence answers your first question. The point is it has "nothing to do with the fact she's a journalist." Do you honestly think you'd see those types of comments in a the same magnitude if she were a man doing journalism on YouTube? I agree it's part of Internet culture, but it's still promoting the (social acceptance of the) expectation of the female serving a sexual role regardless of context. Do you really think the guys who comment on her videos about her not showing her boobs are trying to solicit her for sex? If anything it's a form of cat calling.

And I don't see sexism as a required negative. It's any difference in treatment based on sexual gender, not just negative discrimination. And on YouTube (and in the rest of the world) you'll find references like this towards females far more often than to males, be its underlying basis cultural, genetic, or (in my opinion) both.

I'm not saying that sexism is a part of internet culture I'm saying that trolling is. On average I would expect everyone doing journalism on YouTube to receive the same amount of derogatory remarks; given certain taboos in our culture and the immature urge to engage in them in a largely reprisal-free medium those remarks will tend to be racial or sexual. If she was a minority there would be racial slurs, if she was a man I agree there would be less sexually explicit comments but there would also be more references to homosexuality. If she was fat there would be fat jokes, if she was ugly there would be ugly jokes. It isn't right, and I agree that as a society we should try to move away from it, but I don't think that contextual difference denotes prejudice.

Obviously these individuals are not soliciting her for sex, that was not what I was getting at. I'm saying simply that expressing a sexual interest in another human being is necessary to the continued existence of our species. There are degrees of this expression and at some point you cross a line (they flew past it), but when you start saying that expressions of sexual interest are sexism then you start down a slippery slope where it becomes increasingly difficult to differentiate between appropriate and inappropriate forms of expression.

It is in no way my intention to absolve in any small part the individuals who made these comments, regardless of whether it was sexism or sexual harassment its equally disgusting.
 
relevant to the Kbamz Corvus Rex convo. You know, tagently.
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And I don't see sexism as a required negative. It's any difference in treatment based on sexual gender, not just negative discrimination. And on YouTube (and in the rest of the world) you'll find references like this towards females far more often than to males, be its underlying basis cultural, genetic, or (in my opinion) both.

Which is part of the problem. People got this new "voice" with the internet. And it is ugly. The human condition without limitations or consequences.

Pisses me off too cause it ruins the actual reputation of people like this:

http://kotaku.com/5831057/if-bioshock-infinite-encourages-cosplay-like-this-im-all-for-it
 
you know that chick did such a good job at cosplaying the initial art from bioshock infinite that they brought her in to be the actual face of Elisabeth? They 3d mapped her face and made it the actual face of the character. They also had a dancer who was mapped for all her movements through the game and a separate voice actor for the talking and such.
 
Which is part of the problem. People got this new "voice" with the internet. And it is ugly. The human condition without limitations or consequences.

Pisses me off too cause it ruins the actual reputation of people like this:

http://kotaku.com/5831057/if-bioshock-infinite-encourages-cosplay-like-this-im-all-for-it
I don't think its so much a new "voice" as it is a larger exposure to the relatively small "voice" that always existed but most people never encountered.

On a side note, did this thread get hijacked by its own creator?
 
I honestly can't find a place in my heart (or mind) for articles like this about the internet. Let me caveat this by stating that her complaints aren't invalid, and that it is indeed bullshit that people act and treat one another like this online (also very common). My complaint here, as with all articles like this, is that people are trying to apply currently accepted societal trends to an area of space/time/information that was designed specifically to AVOID conforming to a specific type of society, culture, language, religion, race, ethnicity, or philosophical mantra etc. etc.

I like to think of the internet as a Lord of the Flies scenario - where people operate with complete anonymity and express themselves and their ideas in the most basic, essential, and formative ways. Are these thoughts often ugly, offensive, sexist, racist, or otherwise 'bad' ? Of course, because there are many facets of human nature that are 'bad' and those become blatantly apparent when applied to the infrastructure of the internet... but the opposite is also true, and people (whom might otherwise be unable or unwilling to do so) can create that which is both wondrous and impressive, and have those creations inspire and be collaborated on by thousands of others.

Complaining that the Internet is full of bad people isn't an incorrect statement, it's just an obvious one. I think the idea that online users should act within the bounds of what a certain society agrees upon, is missing the point of the Internet (especially considering that everyone on the internet isnt from the same 'Society' or culture and probably doesn't share the same world view).

If the idea is for people to behave on the internet as they would in their everyday lives, there's a place you can go to find that - it's called Outside.

TL,DR ? I'll let The Wire sum it up -

 
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