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This entire rant was spurred from this article:

Tony Harris is in no way a household name. But as the artist behind some of the most critically acclaimed comics in the last 20 years, noteablyStarman with James Robinson for DC and Ex Machinawith Brian K. Vaughan for Wildstorm, he was a hugely respected figure in the industry.
"Was".
Today, Harris posted a rant on his Facebook wall, which was re-posted to Tumblr by Jill Pantozzi, the associate editor of The Mary Sue, a site dedicated to "girl geek culture". Harris writes (and I've not edited this in any way):
I cant remember if Ive said this before, but Im gonna say it anyway. I dont give a crap.I appreciate a pretty Gal as much as the next Hetero Male. Sometimes I even go in for some racy type stuff ( keeping the comments PG for my Ladies sake) but dammit, dammit, dammit I am so sick and tired of the whole COSPLAY-Chiks. I know a few who are actually pretty cool-and BIG Shocker, love and read Comics.So as in all things, they are the exception to the rule. Heres the statement I wanna make, based on THE RULE: "Hey! Quasi-Pretty-NOT-Hot-Girl, you are more pathetic than the REAL Nerds, who YOU secretly think are REALLY PATHETIC. But we are onto you. Some of us are aware that you are ever so average on an everyday basis. But you have a couple of things going your way. You are willing to become almost completely Naked in public, and yer either skinny( Well, some or most of you, THINK you are ) or you have Big Boobies. Notice I didnt say GREAT Boobies? You are what I refer to as "CON-HOT". Well not by my estimation, but according to a LOT of average Comic Book Fans who either RARELY speak to, or NEVER speak to girls. Some Virgins, ALL unconfident when it comes to girls, and the ONE thing they all have in common? The are being preyed on by YOU. You have this really awful need for attention, for people to tell you your pretty, or Hot, and the thought of guys pleasuring themselves to the memory of you hanging on them with your glossy open lips, promising them the Moon and the Stars of pleasure, just makes your head vibrate. After many years of watching this shit go down every 3 seconds around or in front of my booth or table at ANY given Con in the country, I put this together. Well not just me. We are LEGION. And here it is, THE REASON WHY ALL THAT, sickens us: BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT COMICS, BEYOND WHATEVER GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH YOU DID TO GET REF ON THE MOST MAINSTREAM CHARACTER WITH THE MOST REVEALING COSTUME EVER. And also, if ANY of these guys that you hang on tried to talk to you out of that Con? You wouldnt give them the fucking time of day. Shut up you damned liar, no you would not. Lying, Liar Face. Yer not Comics. Your just the thing that all the Comic Book, AND mainstream press flock to at Cons. And the real reason for the Con, and the damned costumes yer parading around in? That would be Comic Book Artists, and Comic Book Writers who make all that shit up.
The simple misogyny on display would be enough to ruin most people's view of Harris, to be honest, and to them I apologise for going further into the issue. Clearly, even writing about how great cosplay (dressing up as characters from… well, anything, really. Some great examples here) was, and how welcome female cosplayers were at comic conventions, wouldn't render the tone of this rant any more acceptable.
But the views Harris expresses aren't just held by virulent misogynists – instead, they are depressingly common in "geek culture". Too many nerds have basically internalised the stereotype of themselves as ugly, friendless losers and decided that anyone who doesn't fit that stereotype – particularlywomen – is a "fake geek", taking advantage of the fact that being a geek is now "cool".
The stereotype has been bubbling around various geek cultures – gamers, comics and sci-fi fans, and even niche ones like board- and tabletop-gaming enthusiasts – for some time, and a number of pieces have been written about the damage it does to women in the community. The Mary Sue's Susana Polo, for instance, says it better than I could:
I understand the desire to weed the “posers” out of your personal life and interactions. But I have never, actually, in the flesh, met a “fake” geek girl. Or guy. I don’t think those people actually exist outside of painful daytime news segments, the occasional job interview (where, in this economy, I’ll excuse anybody for trying to be a little bit of something they’re not), and internet memes. But I understand.
But who are you to say that a stranger, someone you’re never likely to meet, is not genuinely interested in the thing they appear to be interested in? Who are you? I just… what? I’m rendered incoherent. Here at the Mary Sue, when an actress goes on a talk show and describes her personal affection and involvement and enjoyment and FANDOM for geek properties, we take it at face value. Why? Because we don’t actually have a reason not to. Because the alternative breeds a closed community of paranoid, elitist jerks who lash out at anyone new.
The proper response to someone who says they like comics and has only read Scott Pilgrim is to recommend some more comics for them. The proper response to someone who appears to be faking enthusiasm is to ignore them and not project their actions on an entire gender or community. The proper response to someone who appears to want to be a part of your community is to welcome them in. End of story.
And the same applies to this specific example. Jamie McKelvie, designer of the much-cosplayed Captain Marvel, reiterates:
I've never met a cosplayer who isn't a massive fan of the thing they are cosplaying. Also: some of the sweetest people you could meet.
But here's the thing: even if the cosplayer has never read any comics other than the one they're dressed up as – even if they've never read any comics at all, and just enjoy the dressing up – it doesn't matter. Nobody is going to take your hobby away. At worst, at absolute worst, it is someone finding enjoyment in a different aspect of something you like. At best, as Polo says, it is a future friend, someone who could be a part of your community, and someone to spread your love to.
Or maybe some nerds just don't want women in the clubhouse.

Ok sooo, this is going to push buttons since we are on an equal rights for women kick right now but I figured it was also very much in line with previous rants.

Guys have been able to be "Geeks" and "Nerds" for quite a bit. They didn't care about it being a socially acceptable medium, they did it because they wanted to cast the most epic magic missile into the darkness that they could, in hopes that their Dungeon Master would award them with the next epic piece of penciled in loot to once again cast magic missile!

Girls however, have just recently in the timeline of nerdy history started to take an interest in the culture, more specifically girls that care about vanity and self appearance. I think a lot of that has to do with how mainstream video games and the culture around it has become. It is more socially acceptable these days. But as with all things it was a progression.

Cosplay is its own community filled with various types of fans. Its an art form. But what he (Tony Harris) is talking about are the attention whoring pros that exploit nerds insecurities for their own gain. Im thinking hes probably mostly pissed at girls who use the cosplay scene almost as a form of gold digging or e-fame.

I.E. http://lizkatz.com/


Liz Katz: When a real-life Cat Eared sporting anime character comes to life.


Actress, Model, Vocalist, Artist, and Muse. Silly, Snarky, Eccentric, Part Time Flake, and All Around Feisty Lil’ Firecracker. Whether Hero or Villain she is still pretty super. Liz Katz has been marching to the beat of her own drum for quite some time now.She’s most active in the Anime/ comic/ scifi/ horror/ gamer community. Liz Katz comes from a state of mind. Half nerd on her father’s side and half mystical creature on her mother’s. >^.-<

Look very closely at the words there, ACTRESS MODEL VOCALIST, ARTIST MUSE. The list of skills most people who don't actually have the skills to back them up use. But in the geek world she becomes more "E-Famous" than in the acting world. Why?

Preying on the nerds' libidos
Now I am not saying all girls who are into cosplay do this. I know quite a few who are legitimate nerds and love to do it. However, what part of it is the nerd enjoyment and what part is the attention one gets when they are "best in show".
At geek conventions "Best in show" is the term for the fact that most the guys are not very up-kept and the girls who do show up who are into the games are usually not super models. No biggie, but it definitely makes those who have a bigger bust and prettier face POP more, add a latex skin tight cat suit to that and you get the perfect storm for "attention".
I think it is highly a jealously thing on the part of guys. "Why can't we pull off the skimpy latex suit for batman costumes as well". We originally went to this convention with the intention of looking at comics but now we are distracted by the porn star hired by the booth guy to dress up like the childhood fantasy character from our favorite comic. FRICK.
I think the second part of it is our society has taken a turn where REAL girls that love comics and video games are showing up more for these events. And to them they are getting smacked in the face with people telling them they are fake. I think there are two aspects of this:
A culture that has been fucked before by the fake "costume" or "booth" babes being used to manipulate the geek, the girl who is doing it to push her non existent acting/modeling career forward, and the like.
And then you get the idea that in order for gaming to be an option for women it had to become more socially acceptable. So a lot of "geek" girls are not actually geeks at all, but enjoy dressing up as characters and seeing the more "pop-culture" side of the comic industry *cough cough twilight shows up at comic con*cough cough*
So while the last may not be a bad thing at all, in the minds of the already betrayed geek from previous generations, these girls still aren't there for the love of the industry but for the love of Bella showing up for he movie premiere.
So why would this even matter? It is a gaming convention not a dating convention... well humanity is a "Must find mate, must impregnate" people... so maybe we are subconsciously trying to find that match at the places were we feel most comfortable and can share our likes :) But then we get disappointed to find out the female version of the gaming world is evolved to a different place than the male version. And once again we feel like we are being played by "Booth Babes"... but in reality girls just want to go out to dance with their girl friends and guys don't ever really think about dancing when they go out.
Anyway, I am rambling, but I figured you guys/girls would have something to say on the topic.
 
Um. I don't know about everyone else but I'm all about min/maxing my character to shoot the most epic magic missile into the darkness for epic loots. Sure I like dressing up and going to Renn Faires and the like but this was something I got into much later. For me the appeal was always getting to pretend to be a character in a story, someone that could do things I couldn't do in real life, whether that be backstab someone from the shadows as a sneaky rogue or stomp into the middle of a bar as a dwarven warrior and smash some heads together it didn't matter as long as it was an awesome story.

My personal experience on it aside, I do agree that a lot of the conventions have changed. I don't think this is necessarily all bad because it has brought other people into different aspects of gaming. It's an evolving culture so it can't be expected to stay the same forever.

I do think you bring up an interesting point in that people look for matches in places where they feel the most comfortable. It's really easy to "click" with a certain person over a video game or some other common interest. With MMOs we have a whole subculture where we get thrown together and spend hours and hours hanging out and having fun so of course it's really easy to form bonds (and sometimes break them and be mortal enemies RAWR!). I've made some pretty awesome friends through MMOs that I've known for years so yay! ^_^ (Also lost some friends too but I suppose that can't be helped either >.< ).
 
I would probably fall into the "fake geek" category, as I liked the WoW scene and the min/maxing my toon to see my name at the top of the dps boards. But it wasn't about min/maxing for fun. It was work so that I could compete. I never got into the lore of WoW, but I have started getting into the lore of Guild Wars 2 but I don't pursue it. I don't go to cons and odds are I probably never will. I enjoy playing MMOs, and watching anime as well. First started off with a more mainstream anime such as Bleach, but I have since moved on to maybe not so mainstream animes like Soul Eater, and Rosario + Vampire. I don't read comics nor do I plan to either. I just don't like comics and doubt I ever will. I enjoy good novels, doesn't include graphic novels, so I enjoy that aspect of the "geek" culture.

All that aside I don't stay on a game for the game play. I don't do that for any game whether it be single player or an MMO. I only enjoy games that I can play with others. So with that being said I have to agree with Rux. Spending 4 hours a night, 3 nights a week, in a raid where this boss just ground pounds your ass into oblivion, forms bonds rather quickly and it's a fun and comfortable environment to do so as well.

But I will say I am who I am and nothing anybody can do will ever change that fact. I would dress up as some stupid ass character from something that I know nothing about and dance a stupid ass dance to a song that doesn't even fit. I wouldn't do it to try and fit in somewhere but because it would be fun. Making an ass out of myself is what I do best and I have fun doing it. Every industry has it's "posers" and nothing we can do will change that. I just say stay true to yourself and ignore all the "haters." Because if you do that then, and only then, will you find yourself being accepted for who you are. I say let people call me a fake geek because that's exactly what I may be but at least I'll have fun doing it and eventually I'll find people who will see that I'm not a "fake" geek. Just a different sub-category of geek.
 
I missed out on a lot of geekiness while growing up because my parents were very anti-video games, anti-comic books, anti-scifi and fantasy in general. All around anti-fun. So I played video games at friends' houses, game stores, and shopping malls. Once I hit college, I got into console gaming and eventually computer gaming.

I wish I had a group of friends growing up that did D&D or tabletop gaming, but my parents were probably more anti that than anything else. MMO's capture some of that for me, but I often wonder about the geek I could have been.

As far as girl geeks- if I see a cosplayer, male or female, I don't immediately assume they are obsessed with or even know much about whatever they are dressed up as. If I have a real question about a game, I'm asking the girl with the regular clothes who looks like she knows which booths have good stuff and which are bs. I'm not asking the cat girl. I'm just taking her picture.
 
Topher i'm not a huge comic fan either (although I really wanted to be). There are some though that I love. I picked up Fables which was absolutely amazing (it's about what would it be like if all the storybook fables were alive and well in our world today. Really cool spin on things) and I have Girl Genius which feeds steampunk obsession <3 But other than that I had a hard time reading anything that was shorter. I tend to go more for the graphic novels myself just because I'm fairly impatient and I hate having to pick up 20 different short comics to get to the end of the plot (I got the Fables books 1 through 10 so I didn't have to wait lol...).

Anyway that aside I don't think you're a "fake" geek. You definitely have some inner geekdome or else you wouldn't be here <3
 
/shrug.

Comes in all shades.

I'm a pretty big geek when it comes to Star Wars. And Star Trek. But I've never been to DragonC*n. Or ComicCon. etc etc.

I'm also not sure I care if she does it for attention or not. P.T. Barnum's cardinal rule was to garner attention no matter the cost, and he did some outrageous things for said attention. But hey, I remember him before Ringling's.

/greyarea
 
Also, women in Western-type cultures are generally more sexualized than men. End-game armor for women in just about any game is very revealing. End-game armor for men is very functional. Sense? Nope.
 
Also, women in Western-type cultures are generally more sexualized than men. End-game armor for women in just about any game is very revealing. End-game armor for men is very functional. Sense? Nope.
I thought boobies shriveled up if they weren't allowed to breathe.
 
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