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Nov 18, 2014 at 5:18 PM - Vitriolic: Dunno, I think you overrate NF a bit.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:18 PM - Vitriolic: I love it as an ability but there's no upside to it over Frenzy.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:18 PM - Vitriolic: Esp. now that its healing has been nerfed
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM - Dejamal: Except you don't have to spec for damage to compensate.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM - Dejamal: Because its threat comes from instances of healing more than damage done.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM - Vitriolic: You still do.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:20 PM - Dejamal: Man if you're not dying, you do you. But if you've respecced into damage so far that you're worried about living, you need to get SOME survivability back. I've seen some people use Nano Dart, but I've never liked it a ton.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:22 PM - Vitriolic: I'm not worried about dying :p
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:22 PM - Dejamal: You just said you were!
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:23 PM - Dejamal: Well, not worried, but "took a significant hit."
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:23 PM - Vitriolic: Did not! It's more an issue of knowing the numbers well enough to know that I can't give up ANY MORE tanky amps but I will inevitably have threat issues.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:24 PM - Dejamal: What is in all of your slots that you can't make up some survivability there? I assume you're not carry stuns.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:24 PM - Dejamal: I'm just curious at this point.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:25 PM - Vitriolic: http://ws-base.com/builds/generator...0.821.804.818.822.946.947.948.844.845.846.825
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:26 PM - Vitriolic: Apparently I can do a build form memory in like a minute now >.>
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:26 PM - Dejamal: Yeah it gets pretty easy after a while.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:27 PM - Dejamal: You could probably drop AW for Stim Drone or Nano Dart on bosses without seeing too much a threat loss.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:27 PM - Dejamal: I'd think the healing would make up for it.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:27 PM - Dejamal: I was looking real hard at at least T4 Stim drone now that it's a CC break as well.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:27 PM - Dejamal: The Armor is real.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:28 PM - Vitriolic: Well, that's the problem. That build is all centered around damage post drop 3. Before I had steadfast tiered higher, less assault investment, no Hybrid A/U, and more defensive investment.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:29 PM - Vitriolic: Now I am much more offensively invested... and that gets me to the same threat level I was at before drop 3.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:30 PM - Vitriolic: I have enough pure defensive stats that survivability in GA won't be an issue but moving forward threat is going to get harder and harder to maintain due to the changes they made to tank stance.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:31 PM - Dejamal: You could probably get by without Punish AND T8 Whiplash for suit power and add a heal there.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:31 PM - Dejamal: Man, I've never really looked at Stim Drone. This ability good as fuck.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:31 PM - Dejamal: Was the CC break all they did to it this patch or has it always been that good a survivability skill?
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:31 PM - Vitriolic: I've never seen a Stalker build work properly without Punish in either spec.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:32 PM - Dejamal: You absolutely can't get by without it in Assault, but I've seen a bunch of tank builds not use it.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:33 PM - Vitriolic: If you axe it then it means that you're leaning heavily on Whiplash
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:33 PM - Dejamal: If you're really worried about SP, you could throw on Prep just for the deflect.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:33 PM - Vitriolic: which is bad
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:33 PM - Dejamal: I mean I don't know why you would literally ever not be Whiplashing.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:33 PM - Vitriolic: because it doesn't generate threat
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:33 PM - Vitriolic: it DOES... but it doesn't in a meaningful way
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:34 PM - Vitriolic: 125% threat modifier is so very low and it doesn't have great support power scaling
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:34 PM - Dejamal: I really doubt a base Punish in SP gear is going to generate a whole hell of a lot more threat than Nano Dart.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:34 PM - Vitriolic: the goal of a conventional build is to maximize frenzy uptime
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:35 PM - Vitriolic: because Frenzy scales better with SP and has 150% threat
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:35 PM - Vitriolic: SP = support power there... need to differentiate between that and suit power >.>
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:36 PM - Vitriolic: punish is in the build mostly because it is INCREDIBLY efficient power regen
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:36 PM - Vitriolic: there really isn't anything better
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:37 PM - Dejamal: If you actually math it out, it comes out to like 2/rotation in favor of Punish over T8 Whiplash, but if you're running both I guess that doesn't really make a difference.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM - Vitriolic: yeah
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM - Vitriolic: I mean, you're shooting for essentially 100% frenzy uptime and that eats 12 suit power every half a second
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM - Dejamal: I wish the Whiplash T4 wasn't so useless.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM - Vitriolic: so you can kinda see why there's such a big emphasis on the regen :p
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM - Vitriolic: I know...
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM - Vitriolic: t's awful
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM - Dejamal: There's no argument to be made for not having that shit T8, because it's garbage otherwise.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM - Vitriolic: yep
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM - Vitriolic: eed my damn ability points to finish that out
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM - Vitriolic: *need
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM - Dejamal: Although your regen might be better if you just T8ed Punish and tossed Whiplash entirely.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM - Dejamal: But then I guess you don't really have a spam anymore.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM - Vitriolic: yeah, whiplash is better filler
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM - Topic: elo
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:40 PM - Dejamal: I'd just toss AW and throw on Stim Drone for boss fights and call it a day.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:40 PM - Vitriolic: and punish doesn't give you support scaling
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:40 PM - Dejamal: I don't think you're gonna miss it that much on single-targets.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:40 PM - Vitriolic: I'd use stim drone for the CC break
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:41 PM - Dejamal: I mean the health buff and heal are not insignificant.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:41 PM - Vitriolic: and I love its T8 but I can't put that much investment into it
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:41 PM - Vitriolic: the healing/max hp aspect is not very good
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:41 PM - Vitriolic: they aren't insignificant but they're highly impractical most of the time
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:41 PM - Vitriolic: thats how most of our healing abilities are besides NF
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:41 PM - Dejamal: The uptime on it is so good though.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:41 PM - Dejamal: Because of the charges.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:42 PM - Vitriolic: NF just suffers from the fact that it can't be efficiently run alongside frenzy
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:42 PM - Vitriolic: I'd love a viable NF/Frenzy build if one was possible
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:42 PM - Dejamal: Hmm. I wonder if you could cut Frenzy to T4. The debuff is nice, but those points would be mighty helpful elsehwere.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:42 PM - Dejamal: You could probably swing it, but the rotation would be ludicrous
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:42 PM - Vitriolic: 2 problems with that
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:42 PM - Vitriolic: Frenzy is like a 15% damage buff to Slingers/Warriors/Stalkers
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:42 PM - Dejamal: Unless you just kept NF in your back pocket and used it for a full-bar dump when it's scary.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:43 PM - Vitriolic: which is HUGE
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:43 PM - Vitriolic: and Frenzy is not very good without full investment in general
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:44 PM - Vitriolic: it goes from our most valuable skill to a mediocre one very fast
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:44 PM - Dejamal: 15% physical resistance is not the same as a 15% damage buff.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:44 PM - Dejamal: You're overrating that by juuuuust a little bit.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:44 PM - Vitriolic: Frenzy is also a 15% damage buff for itself :p
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:45 PM - Vitriolic: it's 18% phys resist
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:45 PM - Sezamas: Dicks!!!!
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:45 PM - Sezamas: lol
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:45 PM - Dejamal: The point stands.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:45 PM - Vitriolic: which... last I did the math was like 12% dps buff to those classes
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:45 PM - Vitriolic: so yeah, I overstated
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:45 PM - Vitriolic: but you get the idea
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM - Dejamal: That's assuming you have 6 stacks on it 100% of the time, though. Which I don't really have time to check, but I can't imagine the uptime is THAT good.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM - Vitriolic: Always.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM - Vitriolic: Unless I am not tanking and doing some other mechanic, there are ALWAYS 6 stacks up.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM - Dejamal: It doesn't clear at the end?
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM - Vitriolic: It doesn't stack per cast, it stacks per tick. And it constantly refreshed.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM - Vitriolic: *refreshes
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:46 PM - Dejamal: Like... other than the 12 seconds at the beginning of the fight to get it on, it never goes down?
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:47 PM - Dejamal: That is pretty handy.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:47 PM - Vitriolic: As long as I am hitting the boss once every ~8-12 seconds
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:47 PM - Vitriolic: Yeah
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:47 PM - Vitriolic: It's great
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:47 PM - Vitriolic: It's the Stalker tank version of T4 punish :p
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:47 PM - Dejamal: You still might be able to keep those points in your pocket for some fights.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:48 PM - Dejamal: The DPS is nice, but not every boss is a DPS race.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:49 PM - Dejamal: I think at this point all the bosses you tank we kind of outgear/outexperience though, so it's hard to tell what will and won't be a problem going forward.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:49 PM - Vitriolic: Yeah.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:49 PM - Dejamal: I assume Prototypes will reveal some things.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:49 PM - Dejamal: Since it's the first progression fight you'll be tanking not just since Drop 3, but since Kuralak.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:49 PM - Dejamal: Who is kind of a joke for tanks, anyway.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM - Vitriolic: I like prototypes.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM - Vitriolic: We are bad at it ,though :p
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM - Dejamal: It's an awesome fight.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM - Dejamal: Honestly I think people just forgot that it was possible for us to do more than fight Phage Maw last night.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM - LaNCeRs: We are only bad because we only have like 10 total attempts on them
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM - Vitriolic: I am so confused as to where everyone goes when we transition
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM - LaNCeRs: Exactly, Deja
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:51 PM - Vitriolic: That goes without saying
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:51 PM - Dejamal: I totally had not considered the possibility that we would have progression time after PM, even though I knew we were going to kill him.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:51 PM - Vitriolic: We will get good at it
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:51 PM - LaNCeRs: Fundamentally the fight is very easy once you get the mechanics down
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:51 PM - Vitriolic: I knew we were going to kill him when everyone was staying healthy but me :p
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:51 PM - LaNCeRs: PM was a gear and dps check
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:51 PM - Dejamal: Yeah we had some very shaky early attempts with like... 12 of the people who are in the group now, I wouldn't really even count those.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:51 PM - LaNCeRs: Prototypes is an attentive listening check
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM - Vitriolic: Not even.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM - Vitriolic: I'd say Phage was the attentive listening check
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM - Vitriolic: Prototypes is about following a script
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM - Dejamal: Oh Phage is a super gear check.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM - Dejamal: I mean for the group leads it's about communication, but all everyone else has to do is follow the ghost.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM - Vitriolic: The communication was the last thing to fall perfectly into line :p
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:53 PM - Vitriolic: I am still seriously impressed that our healers improved so much literally from one raid to the next
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:53 PM - LaNCeRs: No i get that, but even if you have sound mechanics and communication from pull 1, if you don't have the gear... you aren't killing PM that simple
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:53 PM - Vitriolic: Oh of course
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:53 PM - LaNCeRs: We did have a different and much more experienced healer comp though
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:54 PM - Vitriolic: I think we mostly had the gear, just not the time to invest with all the roster boss nonsense
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:54 PM - Dejamal: yeah I have very little doubt that the improved healing comp is what tipped the balance.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:54 PM - LaNCeRs: Well, we still have some that need to get runed and what not
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:54 PM - Dejamal: Because even when DPS was operating as well as ever, we were spending way too much time standing around getting people topped off.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:54 PM - Vitriolic: I never got topped off :(
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:54 PM - LaNCeRs: agreed
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:54 PM - Dejamal: Smooth bomb rotations in the first phase make that fight so much different.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:55 PM - Vitriolic: Smarty did good work, I just could not get in the right position for heals in the second half of the raid
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:55 PM - Vitriolic: mmhmm
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:55 PM - LaNCeRs: I swear it just taked 20 attempts before the light buld goes off for our group lol
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:56 PM - LaNCeRs: But that's fine. At least we have some momentum now
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:56 PM - LaNCeRs: Got prototypes down to 50% without even really strategizing anything too
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:56 PM - LaNCeRs: That alone is a stark improvement, considering those were topping our best attempts earlier
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:56 PM - Vitriolic: We've got prototypes the MOMENT we figure out where the fuck people need to be on the transitions into destructodude
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM - Vitriolic: that's literally the only part of that fight we suck dick at
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM - Vitriolic: completely and utterly
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM - Dejamal: mmm, we're still losing too many people to Singularity.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM - Vitriolic: also that, I guess
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM - Dejamal: The attitude of "If bores come out while we're in there, we die" is killing way more people than anything else.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM - LaNCeRs: Our biggest issue is the tank and boss positioning
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM - Vitriolic: I was under the impression that shit was relatively easy to kill back when I was watching vids and reading up
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM - Dejamal: Bores always come out when you're in there.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM - Dejamal: People just stand still and die, I have no idea what the deal is.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM - LaNCeRs: And no one can tell me differently
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM - Dejamal: I have never died to bores in there.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM - Dejamal: You jsut have to be like water.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM - Vitriolic: Depends
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - Vitriolic: I don't think we stand a chance in hell of killing it if we don't have a better plan for our DPS
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - Dejamal: If every single person in there gets a bore, just stand on one.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - Vitriolic: tanking does need to clean it up
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - dainjre: when i get sucked in i dgrid and everything is k... just i dont always get sucked in
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - Dejamal: And then be like water.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - Vitriolic: but we probably disagree on how
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - Dejamal: Dainj you should just plan on leaping in.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - Dejamal: Because people do not want to dodge bores in there.
Nov 18, 2014 at 5:59 PM - LaNCeRs: When both bosses are doing their mechanics in virtually the same area, that is a problem and will get DPS killed
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM - dainjre: i cant leap through without getting rekt
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM - Vitriolic: We have to cleave.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM - Vitriolic: Most phases they have to be together.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM - Vitriolic: There is ONE phase we need to work on splitting them up better.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM - LaNCeRs: I think we did a good job of fighting based off no explanation, but boss positioning is not doing us any favors...
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM - LaNCeRs: We don't have to cleave
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM - LaNCeRs: We don't need to cleave phase 1 but we do it for whatever reason
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM - Vitriolic: That is this fight in a nutshell.
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:01 PM - Vitriolic: Because we can handle repairbots.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:01 PM - Dejamal: I'm sure you can, Dainj. I pounce in every time I don't get pulled.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:01 PM - LaNCeRs: We tactics on prototypes are not conventional. I'm okay with that if they work, but that haven't
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:01 PM - LaNCeRs: We can handle repair bots without them being stacked
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:01 PM - Vitriolic: As I said last night.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:01 PM - Dejamal: I don't know why Leap would be any different.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:01 PM - Vitriolic: Start a discussion.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:02 PM - LaNCeRs: Here come the diagrams...
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:02 PM - Vitriolic: We need to get on the same page and I will give feedback.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:02 PM - LaNCeRs: You did this Vit, you
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:02 PM - LaNCeRs: :)
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:02 PM - Vitriolic: I like diagrams, man.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:02 PM - LaNCeRs: Okay, depending on how tonight goes, I will do them tomorrow.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:03 PM - Vitriolic: That said, when I researched this EVERY PHASE but the Repair/Protector and the FIRST Repair/Commander were cleave phases.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:03 PM - LaNCeRs: I do think having a visual representation helps out
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:03 PM - Vitriolic: So that's what I set up to do.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:03 PM - Vitriolic: Sans the latter because that shit is easy.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:03 PM - LaNCeRs: Thats fine, but if we can't handle it, then we need to adjust... just like all the other groups that do prototypes and choose not to cleave 1 and 2 together
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:03 PM - LaNCeRs: It's easy if we kill the repair bot
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:03 PM - Vitriolic: I agree, if we can't handle it...
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - LaNCeRs: Otherwise we are shooting ourselves in the foot
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - Vitriolic: My point was that we're handling that
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - LaNCeRs: I can't tell
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - Vitriolic: We are NOT handling the destructobot phases
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - Vitriolic: all
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - Vitriolic: flares are a disaster
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - LaNCeRs: I agree
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - Vitriolic: and destructobots are a disaster
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM - LaNCeRs: SInce I do my finest WS research at work, I will hammer some stuff out tomorrow haha
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:05 PM - Vitriolic: And the transition from commander to protector needs to be much smoother
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:05 PM - Vitriolic: Those are the issues I see as being the biggest
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:05 PM - dainjre: when i leap through the outside pushes me to the middle and i get rekt
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:06 PM - LaNCeRs: I do agree, but if we let even 1 repair get through, it defeats the whole purpose of cleaving
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:06 PM - LaNCeRs: so we just need to be careful
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:06 PM - LaNCeRs: If we can coordinate kuralak on the fly, sure as shit we can coordinate this static fight
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:07 PM - LaNCeRs: Just takes a game plan and some studying by everyone
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:07 PM - Dejamal: Do you jump first? Because I jump and pounce and it clears it no problem.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:07 PM - dainjre: the absolute true issue is when im top donuts as a melee
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:07 PM - Dejamal: This is baffling to me.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:07 PM - Dejamal: Eh, this is kind of a great fight for warriors.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:07 PM - dainjre: ahh. okay, that must be the issue. ill try that
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:08 PM - Dejamal: We're basically all in cleave range or none in cleave range.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:08 PM - Dejamal: The actual opportunity for range to clean when melee can't is like... a few seconds during transitions in the first phase.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:08 PM - Dejamal: cleave*
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:09 PM - Dejamal: If jumping first doesn't work, I guess you could just go drop a d-grid at the edge maybe? If survivability in there is an issue, even a little bit helps.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:11 PM - Dejamal: Or does grid follow you?
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:11 PM - dainjre: yeah, i think the problem is im too used to urgency utility. i was just trying to yolo in there by leaping
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:12 PM - Dejamal: Hahaha. Yeah it's a bit of an adjustment from a true blink.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:12 PM - dainjre: grid drops. but if im moving it drops in weird places
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:13 PM - Dejamal: I mean I'm all for people just living, but a lot of people seem unable to survive in there for one reason or another so we might need to figure out a little baby carry.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:13 PM - Dejamal: Just to Band-Aid that phase so we can at least get some real attempts.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM - Dejamal: ALRIGHT I'M OUT SEE Y'ALL SOOOON
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:15 PM - dainjre: i mean, dgrid is so good i can literally stand in bores in the pther phase if its up and be mostly fine
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:15 PM - dainjre: which is why i have so much uptime lolz
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:20 PM - LaNCeRs: Cheater
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM - dainjre: yup
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:23 PM - dainjre: but i like when the bosses are close enough for me to barely nick each of their hit boxes when i stand between them
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:31 PM - dainjre: 97% uptime with 6660 avg dps. get on my level <3
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:36 PM - LaNCeRs: Meh
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:36 PM - LaNCeRs: I like my 66% :)
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:36 PM - dainjre: lancpai all you gotta do is stand directly underneath the augmentor and shoot at the captain.
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:38 PM - LaNCeRs: Nah I lost a lot of uptime with the color circles and trying to follow the destructos
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:39 PM - LaNCeRs: I only was able to stay on the boss 1 time. every other attempt i was in color phase
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:39 PM - LaNCeRs: Unless you got color phase too?
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:39 PM - dainjre: i did colors 3 times
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:40 PM - LaNCeRs: AHh that isn't in the calculation then
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:40 PM - LaNCeRs: I'm not sure why I was so low
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:41 PM - dainjre: and i did destructos as well. i think we need a group of melee to stay on the boss to get the close ones though
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:42 PM - dainjre: the last attempt i stayed on the boss and there were 2 bots, i solo got 1 but the other died before i could get it all the way down
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:43 PM - LaNCeRs: Yeah, I'm not sure how to handle them yet
 
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:43 PM - LaNCeRs: I haven't really watched prototypes fights lately
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:43 PM - dainjre: yeah
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:44 PM - dainjre: well the 2 or 3 on the bosses definitely have to go down and th3 tanks cant dps them fast enough, i know that much
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:45 PM - LaNCeRs: yeah i think we get behind from the start of our transition and we can jsut never catch up
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:45 PM - LaNCeRs: so we just kind of unravel at that point
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:45 PM - dainjre: for sure
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:48 PM - dainjre: i think if you left deja, me and doc at the bosses we could get down the bots there and you make calls on the rest with everyone else. super far ones let go. etc
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:52 PM - LaNCeRs: I can agree with that, I was a big advocate of letting some of them go to begin with. We should have the bosses down before those bots become a problem in theory
Nov 18, 2014 at 6:53 PM - dainjre: yes, i agree
Nov 18, 2014 at 7:01 PM - LaNCeRs: Paralyzer - "You wanna know what you're bad? Cus you suck!!!!!"
Nov 18, 2014 at 7:01 PM - LaNCeRs: why*
Nov 18, 2014 at 7:03 PM - OneWhoRuns: Yo, why do people even play games if they are bad
Nov 18, 2014 at 7:03 PM - OneWhoRuns: why do they have to camp?
Nov 18, 2014 at 7:09 PM - OneWhoRuns: So how are we looking for people tonight?
Nov 18, 2014 at 7:28 PM - Milleuda: So this video makes me hawt
Nov 18, 2014 at 7:53 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: i really like that speedruns are becoming a thing for norm duneons
 
Nov 19, 2014 7:40 AM - Gyoin: Mornin folks
Nov 19, 2014 7:50 AM - Jiggyyo: Afternoon
Nov 19, 2014 8:56 AM - Gyoin: got my fishing to 700 last night
Nov 19, 2014 8:58 AM - Simpwn: thats dedication man
Nov 19, 2014 8:58 AM - Simpwn: I dont know if I could do fishing again
Nov 19, 2014 9:08 AM - Gyoin: heh
Nov 19, 2014 9:08 AM - Gyoin: now I unlocked fishing shack rank 2
Nov 19, 2014 9:08 AM - Gyoin: gotta catch like 100 of 7 specific fish to get rank 3
Nov 19, 2014 9:09 AM - Gyoin: but getting rank 2 mines and herb and adding followers? HELLA increases your gathering
Nov 19, 2014 9:09 AM - Simpwn: I need to figure out how to unlock my mine
Nov 19, 2014 9:09 AM - Simpwn: I just upgraded to garrison 2 this morning
Nov 19, 2014 9:10 AM - Gyoin: http://www.wowhead.com/news=241230/...raenor-buildings-plots-followers-missions-and
Nov 19, 2014 9:11 AM - Gyoin: pecial buildings can be learnt at different levels after a short quest. These buildings can be put on a level 2 Garrison: Mine at 92, Fishing Shack at 94, and Herb Garden at 96. The Menagerie can be placed on a level 3 Garrison. The level 2 versions of these blueprints can be purchased for 1,000 and the Level 3 versions require you to be level 100 and complete a special achievement.
Nov 19, 2014 9:15 AM - Talmari: this is destiny all over again -.-
Nov 19, 2014 9:15 AM - Simpwn: no this is farmville
Nov 19, 2014 9:16 AM - Simpwn: but i love it
Nov 19, 2014 9:18 AM - Gyoin: it is very "micro task" with cooldowns to get you to login frequently
Nov 19, 2014 9:18 AM - Gyoin: but I'm ok with it
Nov 19, 2014 9:21 AM - Simpwn: it seems like the entire 90-100 leveling experience will be built around it?
Nov 19, 2014 9:36 AM - Gyoin: well, kinda
Nov 19, 2014 9:37 AM - Gyoin: as you level, things will be unlocked
Nov 19, 2014 9:38 AM - Gyoin: and certain chains in open world that give benefits, resources, and plans for your garrison
Nov 19, 2014 9:38 AM - Gyoin: and there are tons of end game perks from garrisons as well,
Nov 19, 2014 9:38 AM - Gyoin: so it's a pretty important part of 90-100
Nov 19, 2014 9:41 AM - Simpwn: yea its cool though, I love finding new followers
Nov 19, 2014 9:41 AM - Simpwn: picked up an epic one already
Nov 19, 2014 9:48 AM - Gyoin: nice!
Nov 19, 2014 9:48 AM - Gyoin: leveling them is kind of a bitch though, making sure you have low level missions for the low level characters
Nov 19, 2014 9:48 AM - Gyoin: I have a slew of level 100 missions, but not enough level 100 followers to make use of them
Nov 19, 2014 9:54 AM - Gyoin: two of them rewarding ilevel 615 blues no less.
Nov 19, 2014 9:54 AM - Gyoin: (weapon / boots)
Nov 19, 2014 9:54 AM - Simpwn: good info, I think the epic one I got was one of those boosted rewards
Nov 19, 2014 9:54 AM - Simpwn: I am in love with that system
Nov 19, 2014 9:55 AM - Gyoin: it's pretty neat actually
Nov 19, 2014 9:55 AM - Gyoin: I LOVE how they reworked pvp gear
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:55 AM - Gyoin: no more resil
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM - Gyoin: but when you're wearing a ilevel 620 item pvp gear gear, it's 620 in pve zones, but gets boosted to 675 in pvp zones
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM - Gyoin: so it's viable in pve as a base blue, but awesome in pvp
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM - Simpwn: so no more switching gear? amazing
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:57 AM - Gyoin: well, kinda
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:57 AM - Gyoin: because heroic gear drops ilevel 630
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:57 AM - Gyoin: so pvp gear gets outclassed by real pve gear in pve
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM - Gyoin: so you'll still want a pve set and a pvp set
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM - Gyoin: but I'm using pvp gear to get my ilevel boosted to the point where I can do heroics, it's a good baseline for pve gear
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM - Gyoin: but will never be the "best" pvp gear
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:58 AM - Gyoin: same with weapons too (where in the past, pvp weapons were BiS for pve)
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:59 AM - Gyoin: when you see it in action, it makes more sense
Nov 19, 2014 at 9:59 AM - Gyoin: also, feral druids are crazy. so are pallies.
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM - Gyoin: all self heal classes are still pretty OP. they need to reduce the healing done
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM - Gyoin: a ret pally should not be able to outlive a hunter, warrior, and rogue
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM - Gyoin: (with full health)
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM - Simpwn: thats insane
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM - Gyoin: yeah.
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM - Gyoin: me and mike were pretty pissed haha
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:31 AM - Milleuda: morning
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM - Gyoin: mornin Milly
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM - Simpwn: So I picked up a white necklace off a garrison mission. Is this thing some junk?
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:43 AM - Simpwn: http://www.wowhead.com/item=27944/talisman-of-true-treasure-tracking#comments
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:44 AM - Dejamal: FROEMDS
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:44 AM - Dejamal: Friends, even.
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:48 AM - Gyoin: Sim, afaik, it does nothing
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM - Milleuda: white necklace? sounds extravagant
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM - LaNCeRs: pearl necklace?
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM - Gyoin: haa
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM - Milleuda: I need a man to buy me nice things
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM - Milleuda: so I can stop working lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM - LaNCeRs: Define pearl necklace as "nice"
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM - LaNCeRs: Milly when I go to chicago next, let's go shoppin
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - LaNCeRs: I need some new treads
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - Gyoin: hey, maybe she needed a warm neck
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - LaNCeRs: Lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - Milleuda: fo sho
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - Gyoin: or some moisturizer
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - Gyoin: rub it in
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - Milleuda: My sense of style is top notch
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - LaNCeRs: Omg lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM - Milleuda: ask Bruce
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM - LaNCeRs: Lol, I don't doubt that for one second
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM - LaNCeRs: I'm kind of a fashion whore too, so its nice to find like minded individuals lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM - Gyoin: I have zero fashion
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM - Gyoin: ask Milly
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM - Milleuda: I am a walking oxymoron though because I hate shopping. But I love fashion
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM - Milleuda: eh, Bruce you were exactly as I expected you to be
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM - Gyoin: "Oh, soft comfortable t-shirt with a funny logo? Ok. Oh, comfortable shorts with lots of pockets? Ok"
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM - Milleuda: **cuddly**
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM - Gyoin: I am, if anything, the pure definition of Cuddly
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM - Gyoin: I do need new work shoes though
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM - Gyoin: I have like $100 rebate gift cards for men's warehouse
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM - Gyoin: gonna get some fuckin comfy, nice brown shoes
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM - Gyoin: so go with my ever-constant kahki pants and blue button up shirts
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM - LaNCeRs: I bought a pair of shoes at bloomingdales about a year ago and they are the comfiest thing I have ever put on my feet. I want another pair more than anything for christmas
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM - LaNCeRs: And I need a new pair of boots
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM - Milleuda: when you come to Chicago we will do you up Lancpai
Nov 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM - Gyoin: I too need boots for the upcoming snow season
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM - LaNCeRs: Siiiiiick!
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM - Gyoin: nothing quite like shoveling snow in timberlands and shorts.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM - LaNCeRs: lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM - Gyoin: true new englander style
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM - Milleuda: omg Gyoin
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM - LaNCeRs: Just buy a snow blower
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM - LaNCeRs: Or pay someone to do it
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM - Milleuda: I haven't had to shovel snow since I lived in Ohio but I would never do that in shorts
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM - Gyoin: I only gotta shovel out the back of the car Lance, rental privelages
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM - Gyoin: our landlord plows every hours or two
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:02 AM - zorph: hours or two
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:02 AM - zorph: /rowsdowser
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:02 AM - Milleuda: huh>
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:03 AM - Gyoin: ahh yes, when the mind switches gears on phrasing, yet remains a piddling remainder
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:03 AM - Gyoin: hour or two*
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM - zorph: Kappa
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM - Gyoin: was going to type "every hour or so", and the s was on my mind as I was switching to "hour or two", hence the slippage of an extra, unnecessary s.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM - Milleuda: haha I was more confused by zorphs rowsdower
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM - zorph: yeah I know you are usually on point that's why I gave you shit :p
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM - Milleuda: but thank you for clarifying your incorrect grammar
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM - LaNCeRs: Well that's nice
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM - zorph: The rowsdower was just to lighten to mood after my troll.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM - Gyoin: meh, this just opens the door for me to open the floodgates for messing with zorph on every incorrect action and typo <3
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM - zorph: HAhahahaha have fun.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM - zorph: I forgot a comma
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM - Gyoin: :p
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM - zorph: I'm horrible. :(
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM - Gyoin: I typo constantly, I'm actually more surprised that no one calls me out to that degree
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM - Gyoin: I type furiously at work in order to hide the window quicker
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM - zorph: Typo's are easier to miss I think.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:06 AM - zorph: Hahahaha. I just had a funny mental image.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:07 AM - Gyoin: hmm....
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:07 AM - Gyoin: I was asked to come to the team meeting at 1... typically I avoid the 1.5 hour meetings...
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:07 AM - Gyoin: booo...
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM - Dejamal: I had a 1-hour call with a guy in Germany this morning who has no idea what he wants.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM - Dejamal: Though we helped him get there quite a bit today.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM - Dejamal: Some clients just need you to put a finished product in front of their face before they can tell you "Yeah, that's the thing I was asking for."
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM - Milleuda: I love talking to Germans
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM - Dejamal: This guy is so cool.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM - Milleuda: I could listen to German all day
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM - Gyoin: Euch is the extent of german I can stand for a day
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM - Dejamal: We started working with him two years ago and he sounded like a member of fucking Ramstein, and now he's lived in London for two years and he sounds like he grew up in fucking Cainbridge.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:11 AM - Dejamal: He has the most cultured English accent I've ever heard now.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:12 AM - Gyoin: is it Cainbridge or Cambridge?
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:12 AM - Gyoin: or are they different?
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM - Milleuda: no idea
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM - Dejamal: One's a school and one's a place.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM - Dejamal: I couldn't tell you which is which, though.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM - Milleuda: I watched this German soap opera back in the day with subtitles and it was bomb.com
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM - Gyoin: I think Cambridge is the school in Boston
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:16 AM - Gyoin: and why I got confused
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM - Dejamal: Well, it's also a school in the UK.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM - Dejamal: Which was there first.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM - Gyoin: Ahh, it's a city near Boston
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM - Gyoin: hence why it's in my mind
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM - Gyoin: me just being silly, no worries
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM - Gyoin: I really don't get out of NH often.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37 AM - Gyoin: so in the move to the next floor, the bathrooms are opposite one another.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37 AM - Gyoin: so there have been so many "accidental walk-ins" from both genders. lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM - LaNCeRs: Perfect excuse to accidently do the scooby doo
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:43 AM - Milleuda: I love accidental walk-ins
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:43 AM - Milleuda: always comedy
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:52 AM - Joh: in college, I remember coming back to campus from a party wasted, going to the wrong floor and ended up in the woman's stall .. #1'ing everywhere, walking out the door and the resident advisor being like what are you doing! and just being like "don't worry about it" leaving behind a trail of destruction
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:53 AM - Gyoin: awesome.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:54 AM - Joh: good times@!
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM - LaNCeRs: I was at a small basque bar after a country concert and my buddy proceeded to blow up the womens bathroom and kid you not a girl came over and asked him if he had, and he response was this is merica and a free country
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM - Gyoin: where'd you go to school?
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM - Milleuda: lol merica
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM - Joh: Umass Lowell
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:58 AM - LaNCeRs: Mike Lowell!!! *Clinches Fist*
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:00 PM - Joh: I also have another bathroom story but its NSFW, how I got one of my nicknames.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:01 PM - Gyoin: nice, I know a lot of people at the varying UMass locations over the last decade lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:05 PM - LaNCeRs: Good hockey team
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM - Dejamal: You're a hockey team.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM - LaNCeRs: I take serious offense to that
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM - Gyoin: people get riled up here when it's UNH vs UMass
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM - Gyoin: no, wait, that's BC
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM - Gyoin: meh, shows how into local college sports I am
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM - LaNCeRs: haha
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:09 PM - LaNCeRs: To Deja's credit, I hear those Reno Lancpais are going to be good this year
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:09 PM - LaNCeRs: They might win 1 game...
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM - Milleuda: eww sports ball
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM - Joh: UML has a nasty hockey team
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM - Dejamal: There is no ball in hockey Milly.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM - Dejamal: And also the players are so dreamy.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM - Joh: not a hockey fan though
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM - Dejamal: Have you SEEN Patrick Kane's mullet?
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM - LaNCeRs: I was literally typing that exact same thing
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM - Milleuda: unless we are talking women's sports, there are always balls in sports ball
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM - LaNCeRs: Chicago sports just has the best hair of all time
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM - Dejamal: And it has Jonathan Toews.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM - Dejamal: http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Stanley+Cup+Finals+Philadelphia+Flyers+v+Chicago+fytIZyafMzWm.jpg
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM - Dejamal: DREAMY
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM - Dejamal:
Stanley+Cup+Finals+Philadelphia+Flyers+v+Chicago+fytIZyafMzWm.jpg

Nov 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM - LaNCeRs: My VP is wearing a Kane jersey today.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM - Dejamal: Gangster.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM - LaNCeRs: She is from Chicago, so I am going to have to rip her a bit
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM - Dejamal: Ima finally get a hockey jersey for Christmas, but I'm a Hjalmarsson man all the way.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM - Dejamal: Both because he has an awesome name and because he is a laughably underrated defensemen.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM - LaNCeRs: I need a new one. I just like the blank ones though
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM - Dejamal: He and Johnny Oduya draw the top pair every Goddamn night while Duncan Keith (who is, admittedly, a stone-cold badass) slays bums until they give him the Norris Trophy.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM - LaNCeRs: If I do get one it'll be Hertl though
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM - LaNCeRs: Lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:14 PM - Dejamal: Seriously, the number of awards this team wins is fucking ridiculous.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM - Dejamal: Niklas Hjalmarsson once took a hockey puck to the throat so hard he was not allowed to talk at severe risk of medical complication. Still played hockey, though.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM - LaNCeRs: They are a really good team
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM - Dejamal: And he can do things on the backhand most people couldn't do in open ice with their forehand.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM - Dejamal: And he looks like a Finnish Aaron Paul.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM - Dejamal: God I love him.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM - LaNCeRs: I love hockey
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM - Dejamal: With the Bears already packed in, my transition to hockey came about a month early this year.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM - Gyoin: how bout them patriots
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM - Joh: best team in football
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM - LaNCeRs: They are looking good
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM - Joh: dont even start with the cardinals
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM - LaNCeRs: But the only NE team I can tolerate
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM - Joh: forget the cardinals
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM - LaNCeRs: Bout*
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM - LaNCeRs: I'm a cowboys fan
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM - LaNCeRs: I think the Cardinals are smoke and mirrors
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM - LaNCeRs: Their defense is really good, but they are in trouble without a qb
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM - Dejamal: The Patriots will Patriot.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM - Gyoin: I'm bad at watching football. I need like... daily interactions or I forget about it
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:23 PM - Gyoin: going week to week, I usually get sidetracked with something else
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:23 PM - LaNCeRs: Pitchers and Catchers are right around the corner...
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:23 PM - LaNCeRs: Sandoval was in Boston yesterday
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM - Dejamal: Oh man, I'm supposed to be excited about baseball this year.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM - Dejamal: Shit, I gotta carve that whole headspace back out.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM - Gyoin: http://www.springtrainingcountdown.com/
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM - Gyoin: still three months :(
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:29 PM - LaNCeRs: Have you ever been to spring training before, Bruce?
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:29 PM - Gyoin: sadly no
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:29 PM - Gyoin: almost did last year
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM - Gyoin: especially since they built jetblue park
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM - Gyoin: I will in the next 3 years probably
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM - Gyoin: probably the year I don't get pax badges is the year I hit spring training
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM - LaNCeRs: It's an incredible experience
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM - LaNCeRs: I've never been down to FL, but AZ is a blast
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM - LaNCeRs: My buddies and I are trying to make it an annual trip cus it's that fun
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:34 PM - Gyoin: yeah I think that'd be my problem, not enough guy friends that could afford it
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM - Dejamal: I want to go on a man trip.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM - Dejamal: But all I want to do is ride my motorcycle across the desert.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM - Gyoin: man trips are fun
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM - Dejamal: And my only friend who has a bike has zero dollars.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM - Gyoin: oooh
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:44 PM - Milleuda: I go on man trips on the reg
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:44 PM - Milleuda: i.e. gym
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:47 PM - Dejamal: That's not a man trip.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:47 PM - Dejamal: That's like... a manscursion at best.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM - LaNCeRs: I get fogo in 16 days. The closer it gets, the closer I get to a massive erection
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM - LaNCeRs: of buildings that is
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM - Dejamal: FALSE. You're still in the same place geographically as you were yesterday, and will be until you get on the plane.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM - Dejamal: Got 'im.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM - Dejamal: Or car, as the case may be.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM - LaNCeRs: Fuck you
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:55 PM - LaNCeRs: How about the closer it gets from a time perspective?
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:55 PM - Dejamal: You're a time perspective.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:56 PM - LaNCeRs: Guilty as charged. I am a hockey team and a time perspective, simultaneously.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:56 PM - Gyoin: /mindblown
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM - Dejamal: Lancers is everything.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM - Dejamal: We are all Lancpai.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM - Dejamal: We are all noticed.
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:58 PM - Dejamal: It's important to note that in my head I still say "Lankpai" when I type/read that. Phonics!
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:58 PM - Milleuda: with how I do, it is a mancation
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM - Milleuda: technically that is how it should be pronounced
Nov 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM - Dejamal: If you aren't gone long enough to grow noticeable facial hair, it's not a man trip.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:00 PM - Dejamal: Oh I know, that's why I give him shit about it.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:00 PM - Milleuda: phonetically it should have either been lanspai or lancepai
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:00 PM - Dejamal: Or Lançpai.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM - Milleuda: is that a special character?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM - Dejamal: It is. He couldn't have, but it would've been funny.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM - Dejamal: Technically the cedilla isn't supposed to be used unless it's before a value, but it always denotes a soft C sound so I'd have allowed it.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM - Dejamal: vowel, not value*
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:16 PM - LaNCeRs: I'm just going to change my name to Lankpie
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:17 PM - Gyoin: yaaay, the 1.5 hour meeting I was invited to was cut early for me
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:17 PM - Gyoin: went in, was given an award, and left lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:17 PM - Dejamal: Lankpie noticemeeee.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:17 PM - LaNCeRs: To be fair, that is how Anesthesia spelled it (lancpai) on our GroupMe chat so I just rolled with it haha
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM - LaNCeRs: I think we need to make noticeme even more whiney than that
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM - LaNCeRs: I likely need to add as many e's at the end as i can
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM - Dejamal: Or just Lankpie plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:21 PM - LaNCeRs: Lankpie plzkthxbai
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:22 PM - Dejamal: LaNkPi3 N071c3m3
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:22 PM - LaNCeRs: Lol I would die with that
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:22 PM - Dejamal: xXLANKpiE NOticeXx
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:22 PM - LaNCeRs: hahaha
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:22 PM - Dejamal: I would literally never whisper you again.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:22 PM - Dejamal: I'm not typing that shit out.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:23 PM - LaNCeRs: I would literally just perish into the abyss with a name like that
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:24 PM - LaNCeRs: How do you think a name that is spelt Le-a should be pronounced?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:24 PM - LaNCeRs: Like Leah?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM - Dejamal: I assume you're talking about hte "Ledashuh" urban legend.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM - LaNCeRs: Haha yep
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM - LaNCeRs: I love that
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM - LaNCeRs: I also used to work with a chick who named her kid abcd... pronounced Absidee
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM - LaNCeRs: And thats a fact
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:28 PM - Dejamal: Well that's just bonkers.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:29 PM - dainjre: you min maxing dpsers may wanna read that thread i posted
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:29 PM - LaNCeRs: I'll min max your face
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:31 PM - Gyoin: I like the idea of secret milestones
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:31 PM - Gyoin: don't like the idea of only capping one stat still
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:32 PM - Gyoin: so boring
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:32 PM - Gyoin: lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:33 PM - Dejamal: I haven't done the math, I'll see if I can get it lined up right tonight.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:34 PM - LaNCeRs: Are you sure it's all calculated correctly, dainj
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:34 PM - LaNCeRs: I would have to believe that there would be posts all over the place on hidden milestones, but I haven't seen any
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:34 PM - LaNCeRs: For the DS geared people, they should be wayyy over their cap
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:36 PM - dainjre: pretty sure. i had all my milestones when i had both on. theres no way that 101 more mainstat gave me as much as 70 ap without there being a milestone
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM - LaNCeRs: That's not necessarily true
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM - Gyoin: do you have anything that just gives additional AP
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM - Gyoin: like, % wise
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM - LaNCeRs: 101 mainstat is 61 AP
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM - LaNCeRs: Cus the milestone doesn't make sense either
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM - LaNCeRs: The mileston is 24.4 additional AP, so if it were a milestone, your AP difference should be higher than only 7
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM - LaNCeRs: I don't know without calculating it, you could be right. Just thinking on how it would work for an engi
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:38 PM - dainjre: no i dont. but in either case i shouldve had more with pell databoard
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:40 PM - dainjre: the last milestone is at 1580 right?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:40 PM - LaNCeRs: 1575
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:40 PM - Gyoin: the AP amps?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:40 PM - Gyoin: /shrug
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM - dainjre: ah, so i was at 106 ap over it then with bers
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM - dainjre: erm brut
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM - LaNCeRs: wait
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:42 PM - LaNCeRs: 1575 is second to last 1680 is last
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - Dejamal: Oh yeah if you have a % amp, it would give you more than it looks.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - Dejamal: No.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - LaNCeRs: Not sure what your milestone thing is saying up top. I interpreted it as the second to last
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - Dejamal: 1680 is cap.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - LaNCeRs: right
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - Dejamal: That's what he's saying is the secret milestone.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - dainjre: see, thats what im saying, the 1680 isnt supposed to be a milestone and it doesnt show when you look at ap gains from milestone
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - Dejamal: According to the game, there is no milestone there.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM - LaNCeRs: That makes sense to me.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:44 PM - LaNCeRs: It doesn't feel like they would put hat milestone and then not give you AP for it
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:44 PM - LaNCeRs: I assumed Doc tested it
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:44 PM - LaNCeRs: But I have not confirmed either way
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:44 PM - dainjre: we talked about it, he said he tested it with minde but with my evidence his thing was wrong
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: yup. the UI lied
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM - LaNCeRs: So there is an AP boost at 1680?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM - dainjre: yeah, far as i can tell
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: if you mouse over the stat icon in the character window, it will tell you your AP contribution from milestones
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:46 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: minde was above 1680, looked at it, dropped below 1680, and the number didn't change
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:46 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: but, the only way dainjre's situation is possible is if it really does give AP
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:46 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: so the ui lied
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:47 PM - LaNCeRs: It just seems silly in practice taht it wouldn't give an AP bonus if you have that milestone in the game, ya know?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:47 PM - LaNCeRs: I didn't test it either way
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:47 PM - LaNCeRs: http://ws-base.com/builds/generator/engineer#/
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:47 PM - LaNCeRs: It's outdated, but WS Base also calculates a bonus at 1680
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:48 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: yeah, that's probably right
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:49 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: it's def a milestone, but the UI just doesn't want to admit it
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:49 PM - LaNCeRs: I gotcha. Did anyone test it against the calculation?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:50 PM - LaNCeRs: I have the statistical calculation through excel that I can test it against
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:50 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: not rigorously, but dainjre's situation was effectively that
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: he dropped below 1680, while still staying above the last proper milestone, and with the overcharged pell databoard, should have come out ahead in AP
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:51 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: since 70 AP was more than .61 times whatever was on his previous item
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: but he came in behind, and the only explanation for that is a milestone
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM - LaNCeRs: Yeah
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM - LaNCeRs: Can someone help explain this to me? ...
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM - LaNCeRs: Say you re rune 105 AP to main stat runes for the next cap
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM - LaNCeRs: (1680-1575) = 105
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM - LaNCeRs: 105*0.61 = 64.05
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM - LaNCeRs: Add 24.4 for next mileston = 88.45 AP. Why is going for the milestone better than the 105 AP that you would adjust for the mileston boost?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM - LaNCeRs: What am I not considering my my calculation?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: AP runes take a 25% nerf now
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:54 PM - LaNCeRs: Ahh! so if you put in an AP run at 15, you would actually benefit 20 mainstat in the same spot?
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: something like that, yeah
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM - LaNCeRs: See that still doesnt make sense
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: etooltip makes it pretty easy to tell the difference, because it lists rune slot valuation among the stats
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM - LaNCeRs: 105 * 1.25 = 131.25
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: so you can see what you'll get if you put something not AP in there
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM - LaNCeRs: 131.25*0.61 = 80.06
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM - LaNCeRs: 80.06 + 24.4 = 104 which is a 1 ap decrease
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM - LaNCeRs: Yeah I noticed that
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM - Simpwn: I love MMO math
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM - LaNCeRs: I will try and work out some calcs tonight and just burn a few runes and see if I can find us all a definitive answer with math back up
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM - Milleuda: i love math
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM - LaNCeRs: Cus I think the only way to make a conclusion is results vs. the anticipated.
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM - Milleuda: I was one of the few nerds in college level calculus in high school. fun times
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM - LaNCeRs: Mee tooooo
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM - LaNCeRs: I actually really enjoy math
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM - LaNCeRs: Its fascinating
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM - Milleuda: I was also a science nerd and a band geek
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:59 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: OH, i think i know what was happening there
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:59 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: you initially didn't take the 25% ap rune nerf into account, so your value after that had your main stat going above cap, thus wasting it
Nov 19, 2014 at 1:59 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: the most efficient thing to do would be to just barely hit the cap and then go AP
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: since the only way your main stat is better than ap is by hitting a milestone, anything above one is wasted
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM - LaNCeRs: No question that is right. But if you can't get close, are you penalized?
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: i would treat the milestones as breakpoints
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: you can't make it to the next one, don't bother
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM - LaNCeRs: like say you are 50 over the cap, is the dps change material. I don't think it is
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM - LaNCeRs: Yeah, that makes sense
 
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: it's not a huge difference, but it would definitely be more efficient to hit the cap as closely as possible and AP from there
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM - LaNCeRs: I'm a fucking idiot
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM - LaNCeRs: I did the match the wrong way
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:02 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: since at that point, for runeslot->AP purposes, with your mainstat you're looking at .61, and with AP you're looking at .75
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:03 PM - LaNCeRs: It should be 105 main stat = 78.75 AP in terms of runes
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:03 PM - LaNCeRs: 105 mainstat * 0.61 = 64.05 + 24.4 mileston = 88.45
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:03 PM - LaNCeRs: Which is a 10 AP increase
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:04 PM - LaNCeRs: So then the breakeven is about 20 mainstat over the last cap is truly when things start to become unfavorable
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:05 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: yup. .61 and .75 are pretty close, so the difference will be negligible for a bit
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM - LaNCeRs: Looks like I'll be changing around some runes lol
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: 20 points is acutally a pretty wide target to hit
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:06 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: i can't see you ever going over by more than like 10
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:07 PM - LaNCeRs: Yes, given the deterioration with every rune slot after the first... you shouldn't ever have that problem
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:07 PM - LaNCeRs: On a raid piece of gear, the 5th rune slot gives 9.
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:07 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: i'm gonna have to rerune mine too to get to 1680
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: so my new unbuffed target is 1552
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: i'll need just over 100 more tech
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM - dainjre: yyoure all welcome
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:08 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: well, just over 90 if i want to bleed money on the new boosts
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:12 PM - LaNCeRs: Hmm... I still cant tell with etooltip
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:12 PM - Gyoin: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/red-sox-make-offer-to-jon-lester.html
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:12 PM - Gyoin: and Sandoval
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:12 PM - Gyoin: (know you mentioned it earlier)
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: works for me. right at the bottom of an item it'll have the values of the runeslots, and if you look at an AP rune in that item is has less than the slot value
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM - LaNCeRs: Nice
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: for example, i've got an AP rune in a 10 power slot, and it's giving me 7
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM - LaNCeRs: Okay
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:14 PM - LaNCeRs: Okay I found it
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:14 PM - Milleuda: I need to redo all of my runes this weekend as well
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:14 PM - LaNCeRs: The way etooltip reads its 18(+5) as compared to a AP rune that is +9
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:15 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: less than you would think, mille. SP is still king for healers
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:15 PM - LaNCeRs: so 18*0.75 = 13.5
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:15 PM - LaNCeRs: Which is +4.5 ~5 AP increase
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:16 PM - Milleuda: I know but I think with the changes I can push it higher since I was limited with the old system
Nov 19, 2014 at 2:17 PM - Doctor Dave Malpractice: yup, earth runes now giving SP
 
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