Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: so wanted to clear that up 
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: and Sim
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: I played a LOT of Doc in Melee
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: excited to see him back
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Simpwn: im more excited for duck hunt dog
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Simpwn: thats a nice surprise
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: hopefully he's a bit revamped and not so... clonish
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - dsheets: Oh gyoin, it wasn't anything you said
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: it's like ROB in Brawl
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:41 PM - dsheets: it was just what everyone has been saying since i've been here, like a "vibe" kind of deal
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:41 PM - Gyoin: oh ha
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:41 PM - dsheets: I wasn't pointing a finger by any means, i didn't mean it that way
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:41 PM - Gyoin: because I thought I did call us a casual guild the other night. Again, once 11:30 hits I started to lose focus and say things without a filter
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - Baldoraxx: you can point the finger at me
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - Baldoraxx: the finger is always pointed at me
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - Drae: /fistshake
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - LaNCeRs: We are more casual, and that's fine, the issue is using that as a crutch or an excuse to underperform compared to our ability
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - LaNCeRs: It was Baldo
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - Gyoin: ahh. Yeah, we just have some philosophies on the site that we like to make sure this is a solid community with a pleasant atmosphere for everyone
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - Gyoin: so it can come off heavily as "casual" (I feel bad using the word now that we've been talking today lol)
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - Gyoin: but when it comes to raiding, I need to start taking the kiddie gloves off
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - Gyoin: and stop coddling
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - dsheets: Being "casual" means your expectations on peoples time is not as strict. It doesn't mean when you show up and its go time that you're not expecting them to preform
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM - Baldoraxx: I agree with Lanc, we shouldn't make excuses. At the end of the night it should be "We fucked up, how can we improve for the next time and how can we do better"
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM - LaNCeRs: Exactly, sheets
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM - Gyoin: you're entirely right dsheets, and that is totally an error when it comes to the raiding environment
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM - dsheets: And I've had situations where "hardcore" raiding guilds (20+hours) turn into a bubblefest atomosphere and its terrible
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM - dsheets: its by no means a sickle cell issue
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM - LaNCeRs: Gyoin, keep doing what you are comfortable doing. I think our atmosphere is fine, for the most part. Remember we are still learning content and everyone learns at different paces
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM - LaNCeRs: Some learn more quickly than others. It is the duty of those who learn more quickly to display patience
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM - dsheets: Honestly, I think "casual guilds" have it harder, as their goals are to do as much as other guilds, with more people and less often (even if its slower)
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM - LaNCeRs: ^
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM - Gyoin: there's always a balancing act
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM - dsheets: I don't think thats totally true lancers, because no one wants to be wiping on a mini-boss for 3 hours because people don't have enough personal responsibility to put living over dps
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM - LaNCeRs: No you're right, there becomes a line to draw in the sand.
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: and Sim
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: I played a LOT of Doc in Melee
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: excited to see him back
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Simpwn: im more excited for duck hunt dog
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Simpwn: thats a nice surprise
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: hopefully he's a bit revamped and not so... clonish
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - dsheets: Oh gyoin, it wasn't anything you said
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:40 PM - Gyoin: it's like ROB in Brawl
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:41 PM - dsheets: it was just what everyone has been saying since i've been here, like a "vibe" kind of deal
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:41 PM - Gyoin: oh ha
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:41 PM - dsheets: I wasn't pointing a finger by any means, i didn't mean it that way
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:41 PM - Gyoin: because I thought I did call us a casual guild the other night. Again, once 11:30 hits I started to lose focus and say things without a filter
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - Baldoraxx: you can point the finger at me
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - Baldoraxx: the finger is always pointed at me
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - Drae: /fistshake
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - LaNCeRs: We are more casual, and that's fine, the issue is using that as a crutch or an excuse to underperform compared to our ability
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:42 PM - LaNCeRs: It was Baldo
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - Gyoin: ahh. Yeah, we just have some philosophies on the site that we like to make sure this is a solid community with a pleasant atmosphere for everyone
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - Gyoin: so it can come off heavily as "casual" (I feel bad using the word now that we've been talking today lol)
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - Gyoin: but when it comes to raiding, I need to start taking the kiddie gloves off
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - Gyoin: and stop coddling
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM - dsheets: Being "casual" means your expectations on peoples time is not as strict. It doesn't mean when you show up and its go time that you're not expecting them to preform
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM - Baldoraxx: I agree with Lanc, we shouldn't make excuses. At the end of the night it should be "We fucked up, how can we improve for the next time and how can we do better"
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM - LaNCeRs: Exactly, sheets
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM - Gyoin: you're entirely right dsheets, and that is totally an error when it comes to the raiding environment
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM - dsheets: And I've had situations where "hardcore" raiding guilds (20+hours) turn into a bubblefest atomosphere and its terrible
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM - dsheets: its by no means a sickle cell issue
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM - LaNCeRs: Gyoin, keep doing what you are comfortable doing. I think our atmosphere is fine, for the most part. Remember we are still learning content and everyone learns at different paces
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM - LaNCeRs: Some learn more quickly than others. It is the duty of those who learn more quickly to display patience
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM - dsheets: Honestly, I think "casual guilds" have it harder, as their goals are to do as much as other guilds, with more people and less often (even if its slower)
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM - LaNCeRs: ^
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM - Gyoin: there's always a balancing act
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM - dsheets: I don't think thats totally true lancers, because no one wants to be wiping on a mini-boss for 3 hours because people don't have enough personal responsibility to put living over dps
Sep 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM - LaNCeRs: No you're right, there becomes a line to draw in the sand.