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RP GAMES The Resistance (beta 1.712)

PsionicFox said:
I think the water was too murky for you. It was still an even chance.
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There's no way I would have picked you for the team. I had already decided to go with my gut on that one.

I knew that either Baldo or Sasq had to be a spy. Because they were on the missions that had the fail vote.

If OneWhoRuns had been a spy along with one of them, then I'm pretty sure that one of those last 2 missions would have had 2 fail votes. Likewise, I would have expected to see 2 fail votes if BOTH Baldo and Sasq were spies.

I believed strongly that dainjre was not a spy, my earlier description of him as a "wild child" notwithstanding. I said that because I knew, thorugh PMs he sent me, that he was making an attempt at posing as a spy, so I didn't want to come out as supporting him too strongly.

Thief was lying in PMs for no good reason. That kind of proactive deception is classic spy behavior. If I'm wrong, then he either lied as a Resistance member, or OneWhoRuns and dainjre were both lying about him. Since it's highly unlikely that OneWhoRuns and dainjre would be working together. It also would result in lots of inconsistencies elsewhere, so I conclude that Thief is a spy.

I trusted Gyoin, I don't know why. The beard oozes trustworthiness.

I also trusted Dire, but in a different way because I was certain he was a spy.
 
Seeing how this game has just about concluded, i feel the need to finally say. This was incredibly enjoyable, and Kel. You were wrong! Being a spy in the new rules was a blast. It comes down to who can act like the better resistance player, or at least thats how I saw it, and then when fingers start pointing you just have to play the middle-man and agree and maybe show some of your own beliefs. Or you could just state whatever would be most logical and beneficial for the resistance. After that first mission where Dire suggested to have the same team+1 run in the second mission i knew i would be able to solidify my "title" as a resistance member so thanks for that. Overall it was a blast and im looking forward to seeing who the other spy members are. My thoughts are that it is probably thief, for the lying, that i pinned on him and that everybody else jumped on.

I am, the One Who Sabotages!
 
I couldn't vote for a team containing Otakebi and I'm reasonably sure that enough people believed my logic to stop him being picked for a mission, along with Dainjre. I had to keep up my charade until the final vote of the game, at all costs.

It was good logic why to not trust those two though, and it would've hurt your credability to go against it.
 
As I'd hoped, a hidden spy would step out and take a bow at the end! Couldn't have predicted it would be you though. It was always about overall probabilities.
 
Yep, well played, OneWhoRuns! I'll know to be more wary of you in the future.

I've still got Thief as spy number 4, but hey, I could be doubly wrong.
 
I will admit, i was a bit scared for my cover with the whole baldo situation where he never read the message. Luckily everything I had done up until that point had put me in a high enough position of trust to be overlooked in that fiasco.
 
OneWhoRuns said:
I will admit, i was a bit scared for my cover with the whole baldo situation where he never read the message. Luckily everything I had done up until that point had put me in a high enough position of trust to be overlooked in that fiasco.
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It's too bad I wasn't a spy. Apparently, that was my last chance to win this game.[DOUBLEPOST=1378391349,1378390474][/DOUBLEPOST]
OneWhoRuns said:
I will admit, i was a bit scared for my cover with the whole baldo situation where he never read the message. Luckily everything I had done up until that point had put me in a high enough position of trust to be overlooked in that fiasco.
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Yeah, I committed the fallacy of trusting EVERYTHING you said after you chimed in about Thief.
 
Not gonna lie Keleynal , when you started to PM me a TON, that's when I actually started to have suspicions that you may have been a spy. Then I took the leap and just told you everything on blind faith that you were playing similarly to me of just being upfront and gain actual trust.

Sadly no one really listened to my illogical plans because, well, it was a bad plan and everyone just ignored it XD
 
My poorly described feint of trying to get the spies to vote for a resistance success in phase 3? Trying to lie and say the spies will have a better game plan giving us a lack of information by not showing any spies? When, in actuality, if the resistance lost in phase 3 that pretty much sealed the game.

Letting your plan of "No spies take any action round 1" is actually what sealed the game for you guys. It's been a hard battle since then, because giving us the win in round one for the sake of also giving us NO information is BY FAR the best course of action. Resistance have to play blind faith (in numbers terms) to try to win another mission by mission 4, or else the game is WAY imbalanced for mission 5 in favor of spies. Letting the game get to round 5 is a death wish for resistance. UNLESS you get more information.

I wanted to get the win in round 4, but that required the inexperienced spies to actually read my plan and listen, similar to your plan in round 1.

There were 3 options for mission 3 to go down. 2 spies vote for sabotage, and then the two people left out would have been auto-resistance (like myself). Or, no spies. Add me into round 4 and get the solid win hopefully if there was only 1 spy who did listen.

But the worst case scenario happened, 1 spy. Which left too much ambiguity. That's what the game would end up in round 5 and be a win for the spies. I had no plan. I discussed all of this with Kel and tried to get him to play along, but he was too worried about other suspicions or something (which also aided in my beginning suspicion of him).

Alas, no one even read it or understood what I was saying. And by you not commenting on it, I assumed you saw that it was a ploy, and if you had reacted towards it, then I would have more concrete proof that you were indeed a spy (same with PsionicFox ). My meta-gaming went unnoticed, thus failed. But it was the only plan I could think of, many different attacks and protections, and all of it went unnoticed and, in the end, did nothing in the way I hoped it would.[DOUBLEPOST=1378393091,1378392618][/DOUBLEPOST]I think the hardest thing about this was trying to be deceitful. I'm not that kinda person, so it was just easiest to be blunt, logical, and consistent. I have no idea how I could handle being a spy lol.
 
It was a good plan, but nobody took the bait and it fell through. What it probably did do however is make you standout as a resistance member which was good for your team.
 
OneWhoRuns said:
It was a good plan, but nobody took the bait and it fell through. What it probably did do however is make you standout as a resistance member which was good for your team.
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There were many levels to the plan. But again, it failed on the level that was needed, so... Yeah.

The best case scenario would've been just to have 4/4 resistance members on mission 3, but without me on it the chances were INCREDIBLY slim. And I couldn't really DEMAND I be on the mission (in hindsight I probably should have, but then if my plan was successful and there were 2 spies or 0 spies, it would have been a better scenario than me on the team and 0/1/2 spies).
 
I just didn't see it as a logical plan for the spies to follow. It was counter-intuitive for them to let Resistance get 2 wins before mission 4. I suppose I could have pushed it harder with you, but in my mind I was certain the game would go to mission 5.
 
Keleynal said:
I just didn't see it as a logical plan for the spies to follow. It was counter-intuitive for them to let Resistance get 2 wins before mission 4. I suppose I could have pushed it harder with you, but in my mind I was certain the game would go to mission 5.
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The plan was, in essence, to hopefully flush out some spies. By pushing hard for this plan, any public denial would have been beneficial, and the more people on board on getting in vocalized could have possibly persuaded the inexperienced to do as such.

Like I mentioned previously, with fox and DM being active and just ignoring it, it kind of solidified my assumption that they were spies. If they saw it, they could either

1. Endorse it (potentially making them less spy-ish, but helping the resistance cause even if they were)
2. Deny it (making them spies for trying to sabotage the poorly defined plan)
3. Ignore it (meaning they read it, didn't agree, but can't do anything about it).
4. Didn't read it (which I doubt was the case).

I needed others to tag onto this and push it. If anything, it could have been foiled by the spy who voted no in mission 3 also agree with it and making everyone else seem spy-ish. But that's step 3/4 and it never made it past step 1.

My only hope was that my "calculating mind" was seeing something that those less calculated didn't. That's why I needed support of others to make it seem worthy. But again, maybe I'm just thinking too "deeply".
 
Hahah before I reveal, I'd like a poll of who actually thinks I was a spy.... Being called a liar by a spy is great evidence by the way lol
 
Thief said:
Hahah before I reveal, I'd like a poll of who actually thinks I was a spy.... Being called a liar by a spy is great evidence by the way lol
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But you did lie regardless, about me anyway.
 
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