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US Supreme Court rules that same-sex marriage is legal nationwide

Hey man the government is just happy you are all happy.....and paid no attention to their Trans Pacific Partnership. Pretty sure that's kind of the idea. Continue on sheeple...continue on....

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Zakis said:
Hey man the government is just happy you are all happy.....and paid no attention to their Trans Pacific Partnership. Pretty sure that's kind of the idea. Continue on sheeple...continue on....

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Ill elaborate since someone considers this trolling. First while I am fairly sick and tired of the endless "pride" and "yay massive historic event" concerning gay marriage being spammed everywhere, I am completely happy for everyone able to be married. Maybe one day the government will actually recognize my right to bear arms correctly as well, considering its the 2nd Amendment. Second, I was merely referring to the fairly important political maneuvers being done by politicians behind the hubbub of the gay marriage decision. It could have wide reaching impacts on economics, politics, etc. As usual it was buried behind a convenient smoke screen of sorts and largely ignored by the media.

You know what though? That is ok. When everyone is happily married, with "free healthcare", "free Obama phones" and no guns and they start to strip away rights that people would notice...you can come find me. I should have extra supplies.

As not to stray off topic too much, I am happy for people when it comes to gay marriage. 'Murica is all about freedom and equality in my book. So I say more power to them.
 
Can always count on Zakis for his doomsday shelter <3

But now that the dust has settled slightly, I have definitely seen more people pop out of the woodworks on Kel's side of the argument, not that people are disagreeing with the fact that now everyone can marry whoever, but with how the process was done. I'm realizing that, even though I agree with the ruling, I'm curious to see how the future pans out.

I'm pretty non-political. Partial ignorance, partial laziness, partial non-confrontational. I pay my taxes, I roughly follow the laws to the best of my ability, and go about my daily life and not let these things impact me. There are very few issues that I actually vote for, and only vote for issues that directly impact me our my family. That said...

I'm curious to see how this plays out. Not the gay marriage part, but the whole government precedence that has now been set. I mean, we can all theorize the good, prophesize the bad, but at the end of the day, will it affect you? And I mean, will it really affect you? It might. It might not.

I'll let the activists do their thing. Until then, I'll just continue enjoying life as it were.
 
I think my pastor made some good points this Sunday when he talked about this issue briefly.

His take on it is that the world is going to act like the world. Christians can't expect everyone else to uphold moral values because they have no stake in those values. We aren't going to get anywhere by trying to judge people's sin, and we shouldn't be trying to do that anyway. The only sin we should be judging is our own and what occurs within the body of Christ. We need to preach Jesus to the world. He can sort out all their individual issues, convict of sin, and clean everything up. Our job is simply to lead people to Christ and let Him take it from there.

I try to keep that attitude, but he was able to articulate it better than I.

I think it's time for some more separation of church and state. Get churches out of the civil marriage business. Legal marriages should be performed by state authorities. If people then want to go to a church and have a religious ceremony and be sanctioned by a religious body, then they can do that. The religious ceremony would have no force of law and the legal ceremony would have no religious ties or implied religious sanction.
 
Keleynal said:
Legal marriages should be performed by state authorities. If people then want to go to a church and have a religious ceremony and be sanctioned by a religious body, then they can do that. The religious ceremony would have no force of law and the legal ceremony would have no religious ties or implied religious sanction.
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This is how it should be done.
 
As for who can marry whom, I never cared and I still don't.

As for a group of people getting a huge step toward mainstream acceptance and being treated a little less like 2nd class citizens I am super happy for them.

Although I do agree with Dimitri here about rainbows
 
Kel, I agreed with you! Except for this part:

Keleynal said:
Christians can't expect everyone else to uphold moral values because they have no stake in those values.
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Christianity, nor any religion for that matter, can claim 'morality' from the rest of us. You don't own it. No religion owns morality. Morality has existed long before any record of religion.

Stephen Fry said:
"I don't think we should ever allow religion the trick of maintaining that the spiritual and the beautiful and the noble and the altruistic and the morally strong and the virtuous are in any way inventions of religion or particular or peculiar to religion."
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Everyone has a stake in morality, because we live in the world where other people live.
 
If state governments were more than collective groups of do-nothing hypocrites I'd agree with Kel, but alas, fuck them, with an extra special emphasis on my own state's governing body.






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sweetloaf said:
If state governments were more than collective groups of do-nothing hypocrites I'd agree with Kel, but alas, fuck them, with an extra special emphasis on my own state's governing body.
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I'm not Zakis level government hate, but I agree with this statement. The governement is already doing so many fucked up things, when something good comes out of it, I guess at this point until a revolution or reform we take what we can get.
 
Exactly. My state governor tried to ban climate change. (!?) And I cheered like an obnoxious bastard when Obama strolled into the everglades and more or less shit all over him with science.

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PsionicFox said:
Kel, I agreed with you! Except for this part:



Christianity, nor any religion for that matter, can claim 'morality' from the rest of us. You don't own it. No religion owns morality. Morality has existed long before any record of religion.



Everyone has a stake in morality, because we live in the world where other people live.
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An extremely good point, with so many religions out there, who is to say one is right over the others? It is your beliefs at the end of the day and that's really it.
 
PsionicFox said:
Christianity, nor any religion for that matter, can claim 'morality' from the rest of us. You don't own it. No religion owns morality. Morality has existed long before any record of religion.

Everyone has a stake in morality, because we live in the world where other people live.
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Granted. Christians don't have a monopoly on the concept of morality. However, there are some behaviors, such as premarital sex or using God's name for cursing that many would not find immoral. I think I was making a similar point as you- Christians can't expect everyone else to adhere to the exact same moral code as them. I can't hold them accountable to a Biblical standard. I could, however, hold them accountable to a standard that we both agreed on, such as the rule of law.
 
Keleynal said:
Granted. Christians don't have a monopoly on the concept of morality. However, there are some behaviors, such as premarital sex or using God's name for cursing that many would not find immoral. I think I was making a similar point as you- Christians can't expect everyone else to adhere to the exact same moral code as them. I can't hold them accountable to a Biblical standard. I could, however, hold them accountable to a standard that we both agreed on, such as the rule of law.
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Absolutely. You certainly couldn't hold me to a hardline biblical standard. But with a few exceptions, the morality of the bible is the morality of people with good hearts. So on the yardstick of 'being a good person', I probably shape up okay.

Just like most people, I reckon. :)
 
Kilometer said:
A gif of how America achieved full marriage equality starting from 1995. Granted, no idea who already saw this but still interesting.
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I hope you don´t mind:
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