Wildstar Weekend Warriors

[Spasticon]

Weekend almost any time.

Weekdays 8pm - midnight EST

 

[LaNCeRs]

My availability are some Saturdays and Sundays all day.

Monday, Wednesday, Thursday from 8:30 9 - 12 EST all work for me.

I am also going to put together a google doc for scheduling, just so we have an idea as to when the majority of our raiders have available time. Hopefully this puts us in a better position to make a decision as to when we should raid.

 

[Amares]

I'm starting college in a couple of weeks. While I did lessen the load on Tuesdays and Thursdays so that their nights would be open... I did so because I have raids on World of Warcraft on Tuesdays and Thursdays (which, time-wise, lines up exactly with yours ). I'm very good at time managing so I'm not concerned about studying for tests or doing the homework between gaming. For weekend raids, either day would be perfect for me although the latest I will go on Sunday is 2:00a.m. EST

 

[Kas]

Weekends are actually better for me, i work a week of late's then a week of days so my Monday to Friday is kinda inconsistent.

 

[Sezamas]

For me basically any day is good as long as it is after 23:00 GMT

 

[Spicyjoobrew]

For me basically any day is good as long as it is after 23:00 GMT

For those wondering, 11:00 PM GMT= 7 PM EST

 

[Spicyjoobrew]

bumpdiggity

 

[ToxicAsF]

bumpdiggity

Don't worry, I haven't ignored this, I just wanted to give myself a couple days to truly collect all my thoughts and let others give their views before giving my point of view.

So here's where I'm at.

Tuesdays and Thursdays. These are firm raiding days, both through past experience and our current schedules. These aren't changing (and wasn't really the point of discussion here, but wanted to just clarify this). These are days 1 and 2 for Raiding.

Weekends. I know there is some talk about some people wanting to do BOTH Saturday and Sunday. I personally don't find this feasible. Four days for raiding is a HEAVY commitment. I understand that there are people willing to do this, but this also removes some abilities to plan other events from weekends, such as PvP / Warplots / Other Games / Community Events (which haven't come to as much fruition as with other games, but are still possibilities). In our earlier scheduling, one of the reasons we were hesitant on making a SOLID weekend day for scheduling was to allow for other events to occur. Obviously the demand is high enough, so I suggest this.

Instead of running Saturday AND Sunday, I suggest we start with Saturday raids, not just from 4-8PM EST, but 4-10PM EST or 2-8PM EST. Put in a long day of raiding on one weekend day. This is still giving more raiding time (which I believe is truly the essense of this conversation), but doesn't eliminate other opportunities, such as family events, friend outings, or even doing some PvP and playing some other games.

That said, we can also reconvene and say, if Saturdays start to have attendance issues (or even before just to switch it up), change to Sundays. This allows those who have Sundays as their more available day to be included.

How does this sound? I'm trying to be as fair and reasonable across the board and account for all peoples situations. 2 week days and 1 weekend day sounds more than reasonable, especially if we extend our weekend raid to longer hours. We are then looking at 14 hours scheduled a week for raiding. We're not a hardcore guild, but we are a guild that would like to progress. Let's enjoy this more as a community event than a "traditional raiding guild". Our community atmosphere within TAB is something that we truly makes us us. Let's not forget that in these discussions and keep the big picture in mind.

 

[Thovarisk]

oh! well that actually sounds pretty good Gyoin! a good day of raiding might just be enough for me, given RL obligations and such I pretty much was giving up on the whole thing! lets see where this goes.

 

[TIG]

Longer raid days on a weekend day will accommodate people who can't commit to Tues Thurs. Also gives the Tues / Thurs people a chance to lay off and let others progress.

 

[LaNCeRs]

Just remember, your "firm" Tuesday and Thursday raids does not work for at least 5 of the 6 raiders that are already attuned, and coincidentally are also the ones who are working the hardest to get others through attunement.

If, truly a statistical reference is suggested that Tuesday and Thursday are the best days possible, then I'm all for it. But before we make a statement that speaks on behalf of our WildStar community, we should probably be polling people. It was my understanding that through conversation between Spicy and the leaders, that this was going to occur.

For example, if Tuesdays and Thursdays are firm and on Tuesday, you are only able to get 16 commitments, then it wouldn't make much sense to have it on this day.

 

[ToxicAsF]

Just remember, your "firm" Tuesday and Thursday raids does not work for at least 5 of the 6 raiders that are already attuned, and coincidentally are also the ones who are working the hardest to get others through attunement.

If, truly a statistical reference is suggested that Tuesday and Thursday are the best days possible, then I'm all for it. But before we make a statement that speaks on behalf of our WildStar community, we should probably be polling people. It was my understanding that through conversation between Spicy and the leaders, that this was going to occur.

For example, if Tuesdays and Thursdays are firm and on Tuesday, you are only able to get 16 commitments, then it wouldn't make much sense to have it on this day.

In all seriousness, I have no problems with what days they are on, but it monday/tuesday/wednesday/thursday/friday

Friday nights are typically more social for non-gaming activities, so I tend to exclude that sa a good night for anything scheduling wise.

Mondays are generally poor for two reasons. One is simply because it's Monday, the mon-fri workers are typically fried and still playing recovery from the weekend. Also, since tuesdays are raid reset days, Mondays are left with a "old raid" from the previous week. Again, past experience has shown this to not be a very effective night for coordination, but could be considered a good clean up night.

Tuesdays are generally VERY good. New raid reset, fresh attempts, people are recharged from the previous old raid. These are the nights where generally people are most excited to log on because everything feels fresh again.

Wednesdays are a good option, but one of the things I tend to consider are having two days in a row. I'm personally fine with Wednesdays being a raid day of Tuesday or Thursday, but again 3 week nights (especially in a row if mon/tue/we or tue/wed/thur), it's usually a good night to have off to break up the week.

Thursdays do sync very well with Tuesdays or Mondays. It allows for a break in the week, you're going into work/school on Friday already with a lower mentality because WEEKEND COMING!


We also recruited under the platform of Tuesdays and Thursdays for the times of 8-11:30PM EST. The times are, again, to including both west coast and east coast as much as possible. Any earlier, you're screwing over west coast for still being at work/school. Any later, and you're screwing over the East Coasters with staying up too late.

I'm fine with re-evaluating, but I want the full understanding that any drastic (or even minor changes) may just shift the availability from some to others. This is why I'm being a bit adamant about the scheduling situation, because it was stated well in advance. That said, I am open for more discussion on the matter, but want everyone to keep in mind why the dates and times were chosen.

I've been scheduling raids and events for years. What I explained is what I have seen over close to a decade worth of scheduling. This is from an experience standpoint and, again, trying to be fair to as many as possible.

 

[LaNCeRs]

In all seriousness, I have no problems with what days they are on, but it monday/tuesday/wednesday/thursday/friday

Friday nights are typically more social for non-gaming activities, so I tend to exclude that sa a good night for anything scheduling wise.

Mondays are generally poor for two reasons. One is simply because it's Monday, the mon-fri workers are typically fried and still playing recovery from the weekend. Also, since tuesdays are raid reset days, Mondays are left with a "old raid" from the previous week. Again, past experience has shown this to not be a very effective night for coordination, but could be considered a good clean up night.

Tuesdays are generally VERY good. New raid reset, fresh attempts, people are recharged from the previous old raid. These are the nights where generally people are most excited to log on because everything feels fresh again.

Wednesdays are a good option, but one of the things I tend to consider are having two days in a row. I'm personally fine with Wednesdays being a raid day of Tuesday or Thursday, but again 3 week nights (especially in a row if mon/tue/we or tue/wed/thur), it's usually a good night to have off to break up the week.

Thursdays do sync very well with Tuesdays or Mondays. It allows for a break in the week, you're going into work/school on Friday already with a lower mentality because WEEKEND COMING!


We also recruited under the platform of Tuesdays and Thursdays for the times of 8-11:30PM EST. The times are, again, to including both west coast and east coast as much as possible. Any earlier, you're screwing over west coast for still being at work/school. Any later, and you're screwing over the East Coasters with staying up too late.

I'm fine with re-evaluating, but I want the full understanding that any drastic (or even minor changes) may just shift the availability from some to others. This is why I'm being a bit adamant about the scheduling situation, because it was stated well in advance. That said, I am open for more discussion on the matter, but want everyone to keep in mind why the dates and times were chosen.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying and I am not suggesting changing the time of day as to which we raid. You likely don't know me because we haven't ran anything together but I recall you talking about you working in the investment industry. I also work in the investment industry and am up every day when the market opens, and I'm on the west coast. So trust me, I am all for ending raids at a decent hour.

I know you said we would be pulling at 8:30 EST, which I know for me is tight, but doable. Pulling at 8 EST may present a problem, depending on traffic on the way home. The 30 minutes can make all the difference between being on time and late. I also have stated that I am fine with staying on deck as a replacement should this occur.

The only point I was trying to make was that Tuesday may not be the best day. Though I know you have recruited under the Tuesday and Thursday platform, if we are struggling with bodies on a certain day then, we should consider a different day instead. I agree, Monday and Friday should be off limits. I believe Thursday is also a great day. The question then comes down to Wednesday vs. Tuesday. I have softball on Tuesday nights, Clamares has WoW raids, Anesthesia works retail and won't be available until late EST, and Spicy has other obligations on Tuesday nights as well.

It sounds like you are open to the idea of potentially changing the day, depending on how things go with the current schedule, and all I was trying to do was bring some insight to the situation and make sure that we are truly ready to raid by the time we say we want to be. I don't have experience in 20 man raids, but I ran 16 man raids for a top 5 progression guild in the world for about a year, and there isn't anything worse than showing up and not having enough people to even make an attempt.

Again, I want to reiterate that I am not trying to be a pest or a thorn in anyone's side, just trying to be proactive and make sure all bases are covered PRIOR TO getting to raids.[DOUBLEPOST=1407774230,1407773941][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, I am more than willing to put together a scheduling spreadsheet to ensure that we have availability on any given day so that we can assure that we have enough people present and the right composition. I think we can all agree that this game is not very friendly in the sense that it can sniff out someone who is on an ALT or in secondary gear to fill a role and proceed to take a crap on them pretty quickly.

 

[ToxicAsF]

Again, I want to reiterate that I am not trying to be a pest or a thorn in anyone's side, just trying to be proactive and make sure all bases are covered PRIOR TO getting to raids.

That's fine. I believe I actually stated in another thread my aim is actually indeed to get the group started and prepped at 8, and then let some west coasters that are joining be on and ready in the time frame of 5-5:30 PST. It was originally me and dainjre who were discussing our old raid times. He was the model example of a mon-fri worker on PST. He gets out of work at 5, and would be able to scrape together getting home and online by 5:30 his time.

My plan was always to have people getting online and ready for an 8:30 pull time. I state 8 because if I state 8:30-11:30 (as you know in your experience of getting raids together), there will always be some people arriving on late and wouldn't stroll on until 8:45/9.

I'm open to the possibility Wed/Thurs raid schedule. My firm statement previously should have been slightly more stated as "Two weeknights, 8-11:30PM EST". I still think Tuesdays will yield a higher attendance rate, but I'm at the situation where I want you to prove to me differently to adjust, not me justify my days to you

But let's keep that discussion to a separate thread and get this discussion back to the Saturday/Sunday discussion.

 

[Anesthesia]

Weekends will work best for me, since I am retail and I close my store I usually don't get out if I close until around 10/10:30pm EST and If I work a mid I could be getting off work around 8/8:30pm EST. I know we won't start later during the week so I won't ask. Just wanted to toss my vote in here, I like the idea of either starting a spreadsheet with everyones availability and raiding with the most overlap, it could even be incorporated in the existing attunement chart.

 

[dainjre]

The main reason why Thursday was chosen is because we wanted at least a day in between raid days and because there is almost no one around on Fridays usually. Its always a ghost town in mumble on that day. (Compared to most other days)

 

[Spicyjoobrew]

Glad to see this going somewhere constructive. I like the idea of a long Saturday raid. I've done it in the past and it actually works out well.

Also keep in mind just because someone is a "weekend warrior" doesn't mean they're not one of the people in Alttabme whom are putting the most effort forward. Anesthesia is a prime example of this. Even though he wont be able to make Tuesdays or most Thursdays, he is still one of the people whom have put the most effort forward to push attunements. I think giving the connontation of a weekend warrior is giving the wrong idea. Many of the people I've ran with in the past whom were "weekend warriors" were also workplace professionals with familial obligations which prevented them from attending weekday scheduling...they were also some of the most skilled people I've ever had the opportunity to play with. I'm betting that tends to be a universal truth as far as mmo gaming is concerned.
TLDR, they were skilled gamers that still wanted to get their raid on.

As to Lancers request, I don't see an issue with letting him put the personal time into tracking people down via whispers/mumble/in game mail/forum mail to see which days and times work best for them? I keep seeing posts in here connotative to the effect of "the math shows these to be the best days." Well I'd like to let Lancers prove or disprove it. After all, if it turns out that Tuesdays/Thursdays show evidence of highest attendance, this this will be a moot point anyway.

Please keep this request in mind before quoting it and replying with something to the effect of it has been done before.

Thanks for your time and involvement making this happen everyone![DOUBLEPOST=1407797562,1407797513][/DOUBLEPOST]Also forgot to add, just because someone isn't on mumble doesn't mean they're not around or reachable.

 

[ToxicAsF]

Also keep in mind just because someone is a "weekend warrior" doesn't mean they're not one of the people in Alttabme whom are putting the most effort forward. Anesthesia is a prime example of this. Even though he wont be able to make Tuesdays or most Thursdays, he is still one of the people whom have put the most effort forward to push attunements. I think giving the connontation of a weekend warrior is giving the wrong idea. Many of the people I've ran with in the past whom were "weekend warriors" were also workplace professionals with familial obligations which prevented them from attending weekday scheduling...they were also some of the most skilled people I've ever had the opportunity to play with. I'm betting that tends to be a universal truth as far as mmo gaming is concerned.
TLDR, they were skilled gamers that still wanted to get their raid on.

I'm a little confused for a moment. I feel like there is some frustration here, and I'm not sure why. I personally have never belittled anyone's efforts. I made it perfectly clear that we are a community, and everyones views, opinions, and feelings matter. If anyone has ever felt like they were being ostracized for any reason at all, let us know. We will make sure it never happens again. I may have been misinterpreting hostility, and if so I apologizing for reading too deep into this phrasing.

As to Lancers request, I don't see an issue with letting him put the personal time into tracking people down via whispers/mumble/in game mail/forum mail to see which days and times work best for them? I keep seeing posts in here connotative to the effect of "the math shows these to be the best days." Well I'd like to let Lancers prove or disprove it. After all, if it turns out that Tuesdays/Thursdays show evidence of highest attendance, this this will be a moot point anyway.

I've had no problem with this, and agree'd with the suggestion that we should modify the current raid roster to include at the end "availability". I believe right now, we all agree that the weekday times should be in that range of 8PM to 11:30PM EST. We should have 3 columns for availability for Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. On top of that, we should also keep two columns for Saturday and Sunday, but we will need to make more concrete if people would prefer the 2-8 or 4-10 timing schedule.

Please keep this request in mind before quoting it and replying with something to the effect of it has been done before.

Sensing frustration again, as if I were going to automatically just reject and deny. I've already stated I'm more than willing to adjust the days if it does prove to be more sensible. Relax

Thanks for your time and involvement making this happen everyone!

Hoping I'm included in this! I'm not some martyr trying to ruins everyone fun.

Also forgot to add, just because someone isn't on mumble doesn't mean they're not around or reachable.

That's why the forums exist! This is our baseline for communication. Peoples lives are busy. This is an easy way to get a hold of people on phone or at work.

 

[zorph]

Allright. To be honest we are very close to having enough people for two groups, and could do a late night group and an evening group. With that said, I would be very interested in seeing exactly what everyone's preferred schedule is - and, personally, have no obligations making me choose one day over the other. I would also just like to point out that, unfortunately, there is the raid lockout system. So, while we can fill in those that are missing, the replacements would not be able to raid with another group afterwards. I think our best bet for now is to focus on having two raid groups anyways, as it seems like we have two very different time slots filled up on mumble (speaking as someone that is often online throughout both of them).

 

[ToxicAsF]

Allright. To be honest we are very close to having enough people for two groups, and could do a late night group and an evening group. With that said, I would be very interested in seeing exactly what everyone's preferred schedule is - and, personally, have no obligations making me choose one day over the other. I would also just like to point out that, unfortunately, there is the raid lockout system. So, while we can fill in those that are missing, the replacements would not be able to raid with another group afterwards. I think our best bet for now is to focus on having two raid groups anyways, as it seems like we have two very different time slots filled up on mumble (speaking as someone that is often online throughout both of them).

I think we need the numbers people are asking for before we can truly say we have 40 people for raiding.

Raiding roster alone, we are at 38. That said, I'm not sure about the status about a few people (griz left the guild a bit back to be more pvp and daytime focused for instance). Also, if even a single person has a scheduling conflict in either group, that group wouldn't go or would have to pug. We're still in the stages of lets get one group down before we already cause a split.