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I've got nothing to hide. Consistency is the saving grace of the Resistance. When people see the same message in thread and PM, they can have confidence.

Those of you that are Resistance, but inactive for whatever reason, we really need your input. We need to eliminate more suspects from the list. As it is, there's several- Sasquatch, Baldo, OneWhoRuns, that little to nothing is known about. Post what you know or anything that has sounded fishy in the open forum. Only by comparing notes can we ferret out the lies.
 
New team chosen! Basically I sent out a PM to everyone asking about teams, altering the question a bit for each person. Here are the responses I got (my responses are in italics, everything else is the person whom with I was talking):

Bald (reached out to me first):
"Just a thought. Look at the last 2 missions and see who were on a team. 2 out of 4 are spys. We don't know who yet but we can't trust them with another mission just yet. New team is a wonderful idea. Just going right down the list i would suggest you, Kel, Gyoin and Theif for a mission. If the mission fails then we can deduce that the third or fourth spy is in this group. I have faith in you. VIVA LA RESISTANCE!!!"


Dainjre:
As I thought, my mission failed. The results were much better than I hoped for, as it proved something that I had a theory on. Anyway! My suggestions are to take anyone not from my team. Obviously there were one one but two spies. I would promise you that I'm not one of them, but I'm sure you wouldn't believe me. Regardless of the fact, beware of Diremongoose, as he openly admitted to me that he was in fact a spy and that he would vote for failure in a private intel between the two of us.

Me: Two fail votes was interesting for sure. So who would be your 4 picks for this round?

Kelenyal, you, myself, onewhoruns, if I was the leader. I know that at least there would be two success votes and two of the three other people on my previous team are in fact spies, and for sure one of them in the original team, if not both besides me are spies. I know I am not one. The odds of missikn success of a team with that composition has a high success percentage


Gyoin:
As I said previously, it can be a blind pick of the final 6 that have not been on a mission. At the moment, your guess is as good as mine. As I outlaid in my previous response, the best scenario would be a 4-0 win for resistance, and I can only provide you with the one guaranteed success vote (as I am resistance). Beyond that, I will approve whatever you choose, as long as it does not include anyone from mission 2.

Me: If you were putting this one together who would you pick as your 4?

At this point, your guess is as good as mine.

If you leave out myself and yourself, there will be at least one spy (as I am resist and not sure about you). If the vote comes up to 3-1, I would have to speculate yourself as the spy. If the vote came up 2-2, that would clear our names. If the vote came up 4-0, the spies made a stupid move and if you were a spy and they kept the same team, resist would win in mission 4 with the same win.

You could argue me as a spy in the 3-1 scenario, and if you were a spy that would be your best scenario. But can you trust the fourth spy to vote for a failure?

You could also just vote in the same 4 people and look and see how many people vote to keep the team. That'd cause a real ruckus :)

The only scenario that I can see this not working is if you exclude us both, you are indeed resistance, and then one spy votes success.

But again, can you truly believe that will occur?

Me: Yeah, there are a lot of potential scenarios right now, thanks for the input!

End of the day, there are two options. Go for the win now and try to choose 4-0 which would have to include myself and leave out the last two spies, or identify the last two spies.

To do anything else than those two scenarios will only make you a saboteur.


One:
As stated in the thread, it should be 4 people that have not participated in any of the previous missions. From only the raw data that has been provided, and not any data that may have been collected based on conjecture from the forum posts; Any 4 random people will do. If you feel like using any type of conjecture from the forums, go right ahead. Ill keep to the raw data, while keeping the forum banter in the back of my mind.


Kel:
It's too early. We need to see how this one plays out first.

I've answered your question in thread. If you are Resistance, beware of anyone sharing secret information or attempting subterfuge of any kind. Only spies depend on PMs.


PF:
You want to see who I would vote for so you can try and figure out I am a spy? Good plan.
I would vote for yourself, since you know you're not a spy. I'd include myself in the team since I know I'm not a spy.
I'd include Kel since I'm pretty sure he's not a spy, and either Gyoin or Thief. I'm not sure about either of them, but I'd take a gamble rather than choose any of the other people I was on the last mission with.


Dire:
It's a question of trust. If you're sensible you'd have sent similar messages to multiple people. It's not to late to do that.
My original plan was, upon failure of the mission, to have a completely different team of 4 for the next one. This strategy seems no less valid, and I will post it in the main thread.
After all, the odds are now a maximum of 2 spies in 6 people, rather than the last group: 2 spies in 4 people.


Otake:
I was about to send thoughts to you. Now I will be blunt, Your lack of posts and messages between us means I have no clues where you lie, so I can not send information. But my thoughts is a brand new team including you, Gyion, OneWhoRuns ( but wait to see why he said no to last team) and Theif.

Me: Yeah, I understand that. You're kinda in the same boat w/me, which is why I reached out. :)

ok please hold off on posting your next team. I would like to talk to you in more detail first but i am atvwork at the moment. I shall speak to you later.

Me: I won't be making any decisions until later tonight at the earliest.

Ok, I am going show all my information in the thread. Read all I have to say.

Me: Will do.

It may take a while. Its gonna be big xD

Ok its all up.

Well the third Spy I am thinking is Kel but I have no good info on that yet.

Me: Awesome, I'll check it out tomorrow. Just ran outta time this evening.


Thief (who reached out to me first):
Before picking your next team I wanted to give you the first amount of information that I have gathered before sending it publicly or to another else. When I asked spies to message me, many people did. The purpose of this was to find as many spies as possible. I had 5 people message me, 4 of them seemed to try to be buddy/buddy with me and the other appeared to just be trying to figure out the spies himself. My current suspected spies are dainjre, otakebi, baldoraxx, and onewhoruns. I'm currently getting information from all four as they all have trusted me to also be a spy.

Me: Thanks for the info, I was waiting to see how the votes went before I went back and looked at posts. Wasn't expecting 2 no's so that's very interesting. What were the messages you got from everyone?

Dain and bald came to me right away, they played around a little bit now I'm sure they're spies. Onewhoruns contacted me not long after and seemed pretty straight forward. Otakebi just recently came to me after dire's accusation of me being 95% spy. I was hesitant at first about him but with the two votes to fail in the last mission I'm certain that he's the 4th spy.

Oh, also had another idea. This is my first time playing this game so I dunno if it will work. If you decide to put me on your team, what if I public announce "I am a spy and I will fail vote this mission, all other spies don't fail it to keep you secrecy." Sounds dumb right? But if it stops them from downvoting it and they trust me, then the mission passes and we pull a fast one on them. Out of my four I'm least certain about onewhoruns, I don't know if you've had any contact with him yet or not.

Me: I think that's a little obvious TBH.

Normally it would be, but dire has been very vocal about me being a spy. I really feel like all the spies would trust it. I also feel like it couldn't hurt to try. Your call though since you're leader.

Me: I don't want to rule it out trickery, but I'm pretty sure this one will be outed right off the bat.

Like I said, I'm new to this. Just seemed like a cool idea and a for-sure win if it worked.

I'm out on my phone and won't be home till late but I wanted to contact you, what otakebi gave seems rather legit. Which greatly tosses off my thoughts. Like I said there were 5 people that messaged me. Four that seemed buddy buddy and another that seemed like they were looking for other spies. That 5th person was dire and he's looking pretty suspicious now. What do you think?

Me: I'll have to check it all out tomorrow. Life happened and sucked all my time away this evening.

I'm going to try to post the message dire sent me, I can just send it to you or I can make it public, but it matches what others have been saying now. Still on my phone for the night and I work tomorrow but I can still definitely copy paste some stuff.

Me: Might as well just make it public at this point. I ran out of time this evening to really get into this so I'll have to play catch-up tomorrow.

Hmm but I'm still in contact with others, I feel that posting info publicly will lose my trust with those people I stated earlier since they see me as another spy. I'll give you the info and you can use it as you are fit, but I'd suggest not saying its from me. You're the leader though and I trust you the most in this game so it's your call.

"You actions define you as a spy. Admit it and we can work something out, otherwise I will crush you, and neither of us want that." - Dire.

This is nearly exactly what he said to the others yet he trusted them to be spies and that's why he went further and asked them to not fail vote. I don't think he believed that I was another spy and that's why he's been tossing me under the bus 100% since the first mission. I definitely no longer trust dire anymore.
 
Well, after a day of reading, thinking, and planning, I have come to a very similar conclusion to what I had yesterday. Toxicity in all of these messages is a striving force for the spies. Slander, accusations, backstabbing, what have you. But at the moment, we're left with these facts.

There are AT LEAST two spies that were on mission two. Lately, I have the notion that there may actually be three, and the gamble would be to get trust and come out of the woodworks to shit in the punch bowl from here on out. This would mean that, at the cost of one resistance, we may be locking out three spies by not allowing anyone from mission two to participate in ANY future missions.

Of course, that is also a gamble for the resistance. If I am wrong, that would mean that there are indeed only two spies, and that the other two lie in wait for us to choose them in mission three. This is a gamble I am willing to take personally, as this is the standstill we are at. Believe it or not, the spies have a great chance of winning both mission four and five at this gamble, even with the resistance taking a 4-0 win in mission three. Spies can enter the team that is sent to make mission three successful, then slip into mission 4 for a double whammy, then the game is all but sealed for mission five.

The best course of action is for the resistance to choose an ENTIRELY NEW TEAM for mission three. It is then in the spies best interest to hide in wait, not giving any indication that they are spies until mission 4. Even if there are spies, they can't show their hand at stage 3. They can easily win at mission 4 and 5, even with the odds against them in mission. But in reality, mission 4 will be skewed into their favor where there are 5 members.

At this stage, if the spies show themselves at mission three, the resistance has a better chance of weeding them out.

I propose the original plan. Send in four entirely new people. If spies show themselves, we will have more information to solidify mission four and five. Even if mission three is successful, we'll be at a larger disadvantage in four and five.
 
As I mentioned in my previous post, the team has been sent to Jia. A new team is what I ended out doing as I came to the same conclusions.
 
I think it's another Catch-22 for the spies. I'm sure they are feeling a lot of pressure right now, and if they reveal themselves in Mission 3, it's going to be all over for them. Last mission they failed miserably. We can only hope history repeats itself here.[DOUBLEPOST=1376577114,1376576940][/DOUBLEPOST]
PsionicFox said:
REMOVED FOR NOW.
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I don't know where to begin on how much is wrong with this. If you wanted to make your spy allegiances even more glaringly obvious, mission accomplished, I guess.
 
I have no delete button.

Would you rather I post, IN DETAIL, the ways I think you're being slimy and untrustworthy? If I had a delete button, you never would have known I wrote ANYTHING.
 
In fact, here you go. Verbatim what I wrote last time.

PsionicFox said:
I love how I call you out on your imbalance of accusation, and you give a non-answer. Its a very slick way of acting.
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PsionicFox said:
In fact, if one looks back at everything you've said so far, you're a slippery character. Hell, the only reason you suggest someone lie to the spies is so you wouldn't need to get your hands dirty. You included the two people in your ideas who you felt most likely to undertake such actions. Well your gambit paid off, didn't it? You get to sit on your mountain and accuse people from on high as you've yet to sully your hands doing any REAL work in trying to save the resistance. Either you have a God complex, like playing the 'daddy', or you're a spy. Possibly all of the above.

Let's review:

Keleynal said:
Personally, I think this is going to be a relatively easy win for the Resistance. If the spies don't vote to fail missions, we win. If multiple ones vote to fail the same mission, especially early on, we will also win. It's a nice Catch-22 for the spies.
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What was that? Some kind of smug meaningless comment. "Oh the resistance will have it easy." You say. Why would you think that? This game is hard. Statistically the spies have the better win ratio. Its just a numbers game. So your first comment looks useful, but really, doesn't say much.

Moving on.

Keleynal said:
Dainjre is a newbie as was pretty quick jumping on that vote. If he's a spy; I bet he sabotaged it.
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Speed is a reason for being a spy? What about slowness? Does that count?

Keleynal said:
Double or nothing, Bruce. This guy is squirmy. Also, he thinks he's a queen.
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Crucifying someone for a flippant remark? Man, if that happened to me, I'd have been dead and buried YEARS ago. At least when I accused him I had better reasons.

Keleynal said:
Open, sincere conversation in the thread benefits Resistance. Spies thrive on PMs and ambiguous posts.
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Says the guy who who has said VERY LITTLE until he found an opportunity to crucify some people.

Keleynal said:
Your right that it's about trust, but gaining the trust of the spies is worthless if you don't have the trust of other resistance members. Priority 1 should be identifying and gaining the trust of other resistance members.
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What, the resistance should waste time finding allies while the spies are running free? That doesn't sound like clever thinking.

And then you booed me. I mean, what? You 'say' it was because of Tristan. And then you backpedaled. You accuse dainjre, but then so 'oh it was playful banter'. Yeah, sure it was.

And then you made a post that seemed to say a lot, but was really just a long winded way to say 'me too'. Riding the coattails of others again.

I could go on, but I'm getting tired. You proceed, over the next few pages, to say really not much of consequence. And then have the gall to accuse people trying to get shit done.

I think you've overplayed your hand, Kel. And its going to come and bite you on the arse.
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I thought maybe what I was writing was a bridge too far. People would consider I was attacking you too hard. Well they, and you, can go to hell.

You have taken EVERY chance to attack those you thought were weak. You have added NOTHING to the conversation other than attacks and empty words. I hope no-one else believes your bullshit.
 
You could have written anything there in your edit. Anything at all, but you chose the single most suspicious thing possible. It confuses me, because I expect more from you. I find it more likely that it was deliberate, but to what end? All it does is make you look even more suspicious, and I don't know how that benefits you.

Likewise, I don't know how pulling punches benefits you either. Maybe because you don't have the credibility to accuse me of anything without making yourself look worse?

Honestly, I'm not even sure it matters at this point. Both you and DM are out of power and your influence is nil over anyone but other spies. You better hope there's not another screw up or rebellion this Mission, or you'll be even more screwed than before.
 
Its going to become apparent very quickly, but I will NOT support a team with Keleynal on it. All he's done is undermine and spout empty words from his ivory tower.
 
That was before this latest bout of duplicitousness from Kel.

I no longer believe that Kel is a resistance member. Look at all his actions. Or careful lack thereof. Combined, they paint a rather horrifying picture.
 
PsionicFox said:
In fact, if one looks back at everything you've said so far, you're a slippery character. Hell, the only reason you suggest someone lie to the spies is so you wouldn't need to get your hands dirty. You included the two people in your ideas who you felt most likely to undertake such actions. Well your gambit paid off, didn't it? You get to sit on your mountain and accuse people from on high as you've yet to sully your hands doing any REAL work in trying to save the resistance. Either you have a God complex, like playing the 'daddy', or you're a spy. Possibly all of the above.
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There's a big problem with that. I didn't initiate anything with you and DM. Dire set that up. Dire put his plan in motion to tell dainjre he was a spy an hour before starting the "strategy meeting" with all of us. My idea of DM presenting himself as a spy didn't come out until well into that conversation.


So how exactly did I manipulate you and DM into using your backfired strategies? They were in motion before we ever had contact. I wish I could take credit for your implosion, but I can't. The 2 of you outsmarted each other.

I think your strategy is now to keep me focused on you, so we neglect the task at hand, which is locating or avoiding altogether the 2 remaining spies. If anyone other than DM and PF have questions about me, I'll be happy to answer them.
 
With all the shit being spewed back and forth here, I'm going to just move ahead.

The situation still stands. As mentioned, the spies have overwhelming odds in this game. The resistances only weapon is knowledge, which we were lucky to acquire in mission two of the two spies. With mission three, the best way to cripple the resistance would be to give us no more information, and that would mean a 4-0 win for the resistance. Yes, it would give us a lead, but with 5 in mission four, if we follow the same team and there is already a spy, the odds are still in great favor of the spies to win 4 and 5 taking the game.

We have no more information logistically to work off of, and everyone's words are literally shit. We can only move forward. I will be voting yes to this team because, even if there are spies on the team and vote for the mission to fail, that will only give the resistance information to work off of and be able to work accordingly in 4 and 5. If no information is given, we are in the blind still.

I have voted for the mission to continue, and only hope that the spies can give us the information needed to take them down in mission four and, more importantly, mission five.

I will be taking my leave of this forum until the votes are finalized because, quite frankly, you're all getting too ugly for my eyes and making me sick.
 
Well said. There's nothing to be gained from arguing with PF and DM. People's actions in the mission will reveal who they are.
 
I refuted the arguments I felt I needed too...and then I ran Arah for 4h...so I wasn't really in communication with the forum. Sorry folks XD

The team is up, it fits with my logic, so I am happy to approve it.
 
Sasquatauch said:
New team chosen! Basically I sent out a PM to everyone asking about teams, altering the question a bit for each person. Here are the responses I got (my responses are in italics, everything else is the person whom with I was talking):

Bald (reached out to me first):
"Just a thought. Look at the last 2 missions and see who were on a team. 2 out of 4 are spys. We don't know who yet but we can't trust them with another mission just yet. New team is a wonderful idea. Just going right down the list i would suggest you, Kel, Gyoin and Theif for a mission. If the mission fails then we can deduce that the third or fourth spy is in this group. I have faith in you. VIVA LA RESISTANCE!!!"


Dainjre:
As I thought, my mission failed. The results were much better than I hoped for, as it proved something that I had a theory on. Anyway! My suggestions are to take anyone not from my team. Obviously there were one one but two spies. I would promise you that I'm not one of them, but I'm sure you wouldn't believe me. Regardless of the fact, beware of Diremongoose, as he openly admitted to me that he was in fact a spy and that he would vote for failure in a private intel between the two of us.

Me: Two fail votes was interesting for sure. So who would be your 4 picks for this round?

Kelenyal, you, myself, onewhoruns, if I was the leader. I know that at least there would be two success votes and two of the three other people on my previous team are in fact spies, and for sure one of them in the original team, if not both besides me are spies. I know I am not one. The odds of missikn success of a team with that composition has a high success percentage


Gyoin:
As I said previously, it can be a blind pick of the final 6 that have not been on a mission. At the moment, your guess is as good as mine. As I outlaid in my previous response, the best scenario would be a 4-0 win for resistance, and I can only provide you with the one guaranteed success vote (as I am resistance). Beyond that, I will approve whatever you choose, as long as it does not include anyone from mission 2.

Me: If you were putting this one together who would you pick as your 4?

At this point, your guess is as good as mine.

If you leave out myself and yourself, there will be at least one spy (as I am resist and not sure about you). If the vote comes up to 3-1, I would have to speculate yourself as the spy. If the vote came up 2-2, that would clear our names. If the vote came up 4-0, the spies made a stupid move and if you were a spy and they kept the same team, resist would win in mission 4 with the same win.

You could argue me as a spy in the 3-1 scenario, and if you were a spy that would be your best scenario. But can you trust the fourth spy to vote for a failure?

You could also just vote in the same 4 people and look and see how many people vote to keep the team. That'd cause a real ruckus :)

The only scenario that I can see this not working is if you exclude us both, you are indeed resistance, and then one spy votes success.

But again, can you truly believe that will occur?

Me: Yeah, there are a lot of potential scenarios right now, thanks for the input!

End of the day, there are two options. Go for the win now and try to choose 4-0 which would have to include myself and leave out the last two spies, or identify the last two spies.

To do anything else than those two scenarios will only make you a saboteur.


One:
As stated in the thread, it should be 4 people that have not participated in any of the previous missions. From only the raw data that has been provided, and not any data that may have been collected based on conjecture from the forum posts; Any 4 random people will do. If you feel like using any type of conjecture from the forums, go right ahead. Ill keep to the raw data, while keeping the forum banter in the back of my mind.


Kel:
It's too early. We need to see how this one plays out first.

I've answered your question in thread. If you are Resistance, beware of anyone sharing secret information or attempting subterfuge of any kind. Only spies depend on PMs.


PF:
You want to see who I would vote for so you can try and figure out I am a spy? Good plan.
I would vote for yourself, since you know you're not a spy. I'd include myself in the team since I know I'm not a spy.
I'd include Kel since I'm pretty sure he's not a spy, and either Gyoin or Thief. I'm not sure about either of them, but I'd take a gamble rather than choose any of the other people I was on the last mission with.


Dire:
It's a question of trust. If you're sensible you'd have sent similar messages to multiple people. It's not to late to do that.
My original plan was, upon failure of the mission, to have a completely different team of 4 for the next one. This strategy seems no less valid, and I will post it in the main thread.
After all, the odds are now a maximum of 2 spies in 6 people, rather than the last group: 2 spies in 4 people.


Otake:
I was about to send thoughts to you. Now I will be blunt, Your lack of posts and messages between us means I have no clues where you lie, so I can not send information. But my thoughts is a brand new team including you, Gyion, OneWhoRuns ( but wait to see why he said no to last team) and Theif.

Me: Yeah, I understand that. You're kinda in the same boat w/me, which is why I reached out. :)

ok please hold off on posting your next team. I would like to talk to you in more detail first but i am atvwork at the moment. I shall speak to you later.

Me: I won't be making any decisions until later tonight at the earliest.

Ok, I am going show all my information in the thread. Read all I have to say.

Me: Will do.

It may take a while. Its gonna be big xD

Ok its all up.

Well the third Spy I am thinking is Kel but I have no good info on that yet.

Me: Awesome, I'll check it out tomorrow. Just ran outta time this evening.


Thief (who reached out to me first):
Before picking your next team I wanted to give you the first amount of information that I have gathered before sending it publicly or to another else. When I asked spies to message me, many people did. The purpose of this was to find as many spies as possible. I had 5 people message me, 4 of them seemed to try to be buddy/buddy with me and the other appeared to just be trying to figure out the spies himself. My current suspected spies are dainjre, otakebi, baldoraxx, and onewhoruns. I'm currently getting information from all four as they all have trusted me to also be a spy.

Me: Thanks for the info, I was waiting to see how the votes went before I went back and looked at posts. Wasn't expecting 2 no's so that's very interesting. What were the messages you got from everyone?

Dain and bald came to me right away, they played around a little bit now I'm sure they're spies. Onewhoruns contacted me not long after and seemed pretty straight forward. Otakebi just recently came to me after dire's accusation of me being 95% spy. I was hesitant at first about him but with the two votes to fail in the last mission I'm certain that he's the 4th spy.

Oh, also had another idea. This is my first time playing this game so I dunno if it will work. If you decide to put me on your team, what if I public announce "I am a spy and I will fail vote this mission, all other spies don't fail it to keep you secrecy." Sounds dumb right? But if it stops them from downvoting it and they trust me, then the mission passes and we pull a fast one on them. Out of my four I'm least certain about onewhoruns, I don't know if you've had any contact with him yet or not.

Me: I think that's a little obvious TBH.

Normally it would be, but dire has been very vocal about me being a spy. I really feel like all the spies would trust it. I also feel like it couldn't hurt to try. Your call though since you're leader.

Me: I don't want to rule it out trickery, but I'm pretty sure this one will be outed right off the bat.

Like I said, I'm new to this. Just seemed like a cool idea and a for-sure win if it worked.

I'm out on my phone and won't be home till late but I wanted to contact you, what otakebi gave seems rather legit. Which greatly tosses off my thoughts. Like I said there were 5 people that messaged me. Four that seemed buddy buddy and another that seemed like they were looking for other spies. That 5th person was dire and he's looking pretty suspicious now. What do you think?

Me: I'll have to check it all out tomorrow. Life happened and sucked all my time away this evening.

I'm going to try to post the message dire sent me, I can just send it to you or I can make it public, but it matches what others have been saying now. Still on my phone for the night and I work tomorrow but I can still definitely copy paste some stuff.

Me: Might as well just make it public at this point. I ran out of time this evening to really get into this so I'll have to play catch-up tomorrow.

Hmm but I'm still in contact with others, I feel that posting info publicly will lose my trust with those people I stated earlier since they see me as another spy. I'll give you the info and you can use it as you are fit, but I'd suggest not saying its from me. You're the leader though and I trust you the most in this game so it's your call.

"You actions define you as a spy. Admit it and we can work something out, otherwise I will crush you, and neither of us want that." - Dire.

This is nearly exactly what he said to the others yet he trusted them to be spies and that's why he went further and asked them to not fail vote. I don't think he believed that I was another spy and that's why he's been tossing me under the bus 100% since the first mission. I definitely no longer trust dire anymore.
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What Thief said about me in this is just absolutely hilarious. Just wanted to point that out.
 
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