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ur absolutely right! Although not all the info that is collected is used to "weed out terrorists" to some degree we are watched much like the people in Orwells books, and I don't think it will be too long before the government starts to build up that secret army to the point where it can come in and do what ever it wants because we are all scared to acted or even think of acting because of the results.
I think the next 10 years of our lives will be very interesting indeed to see what kind of impact social media will start happening and how governments will use this tool to help or control.
 
Although not all the info that is collected is used to "weed out terrorists" to some degree we are watched much like the people in Orwells books, and I don't think it will be too long before the government starts to build up that secret army to the point where it can come in and do what ever it wants because we are all scared to acted or even think of acting because of the results.
Longest. Sentence. Ever.

I think 10 years would still be pretty fast work. I'll get worried the first time we skip an election.
 
Well lets see, there are over 310 million people in the United States.

According to this, http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-over...ables/total-government-employment-since-1962/ about 4.5 million people are tagged as working for the Federal government (this includes things like Post Office or any federally run operation) About how many of those 4.5 million people are "watching" the other 305+ million people exactly? I understand what you're getting at but people make this sound like someone is watching my every step and listening to my every conversation. I'm sorry but that currently is not possible. I will agree that people should be able to stay armed, we should not be defenseless cattle.

Also our government sees this as it making them stronger, which makes sense to me... and I'd rather my government be the strong controlling one rather than some other government take me over.


Side Note, the number of government employees has actually decreased since the 60's/early 90's
 
It's not reasonable that many people would be involved in government surveillance and it just now became public. It's a very small number that have access to secrets, otherwise it doesn't stay secret for long. The public as a whole would have to accept the surveillance in order for it to be done effectively on a large scale.
 
I is afraid:
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Back to the topic. Whoever thought that we´ve not been spied, well now you know. I´ve been sure that everybody was under mandatory surveillance after 9/11. Now I´ve got proof. What you can do if you care: Use only aliases. Never write anything private, talk to people directly in RL. If you think it will help, sign a online petition and get disappointed that it didn´t work.
Get a typewriter like the Kremlin (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-to-typewriters-to-avoid-computer-leaks.html)
epic pic! lol

I'm not too concerned. I expect the whole world to just end up in total chaos eventually anyway. I am convinced we will end up with 1 currency and eventually 1 governing body such as the European Union / United Nations. Countries such as China and France have already been pushing for 1 currency for a long time anyway. As long as we get to play Wildstar for a couple years or so I'm good
 
epic pic! lol

I'm not too concerned. I expect the whole world to just end up in total chaos eventually anyway. I am convinced we will end up with 1 currency and eventually 1 governing body such as the European Union / United Nations. Countries such as China and France have already been pushing for 1 currency for a long time anyway. As long as we get to play Wildstar for a couple years or so I'm good

It would take, at minimum, a full scale alien invasion to unite the world for any length of time. I don't believe for one second that humans are capable of cooperating on one currency, language, religion or form of government. Too many would want to run it.
 
It would take, at minimum, a full scale alien invasion to unite the world for any length of time. I don't believe for one second that humans are capable of cooperating on one currency, language, religion or form of government. Too many would want to run it.

So Ill never fulfill my dream of serving under Captain Picard on the Enterprise after humanity unites to explore the stars?

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So Ill never fulfill my dream of serving under Captain Picard on the Enterprise after humanity unites to explore the stars?

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A united humanity that has erdicated hunger, poverty, and almost all disease is scifi only, I'm afraid.
 
http://www.dailytech.com/Homeland+S...argets+Facial+ID+of+Citizens/article33223.htm

He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been bad or good...

In twenty or thirty years, the U.S. government may know where you are most of the time, via its warrantless seizures of cell phone metadata and facial recognition via interconnected video feeds from cameras all across the country.

I. BOSS is Watching You

While this dystopian vision of the future is by no means set in stone; many of the pieces of it are or may be already in place.

Multiple sources, including former administrators claim the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) is seizing cell phone location records for virtually all cell-phone using citizens (the NSA denies this). The U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and U.S. Military are pursuing fully autonomous robotic soldiers, capable of identifying and killing designated targets. And President Obama has already admitted to approving the targeting killing of American citizens overseas with drone strikes. But one key missing ingredient in creating a lethal legion for a future police state is facial recognition.

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The DHS and FBI want to be able to identify all Americans in public locations in real time to combat "terrorism" and other crimes. [Image Source: Hang the Bankers]

At present facial recognition has long been an imprecise science. But with advanced computer power and new algorithms, the art of recognizing someone from stored images -- a function our brains perform automatically -- is nearing maturity.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released documents this week to The New York Times that reveal that after two years a facial recognition project dubbed Biometric Optical Surveillance System (BOSS) is showing serious results. Like most successful facial recognition systems it relies on stereoscopy (3D filming) to generate a 3D model of its targets.

The contract for the project (HSHQDC-12-I-00001) was awarded in 2012 under the name "Bio-threat Characterization Research".

The contract was awarded to Electronic Warfare Associates Government Systems, Inc. (EWA GSI) a company that specializes in "electronic warfare" and whose motto is "enabling a more secure future". Based in Herndon, Virginia and founded in 2002, EWA received $5.15M USD in funding for the project.

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EWA GSI's headquarters at the Hallmark Bldg in Herndon, Virg. [Image Source: Google]​

(EWA also received a DHS contract of $69K to look into breaking into citizens' PIN-protected phones via using algorithms to obtain Personal Unlock Codes (PUC), also known as a PIN Unlocked Key (PUK) -- a code used by carriers to override PIN protections.)

The DHS describes BOSS in a contract document:

[We recognize] the need for commercially available 3D biometric facial imaging systems that effectively collect data samples from subjects under a variety of circumstances. The DHS is responsible for the biometric identification of person to determine if person entering areas are currently on federal watch lists.

In other words, the DHS wants to be able to use special purpose-made sensors, along with public sector sensors, to "spot" people in databases. Targets could then be targeted with "enforcement" efforts including questioning or arrest in theory.

Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) privacy advocate Ginger McCall warned The NYT, "This technology is always billed as antiterrorism, but then it drifts into other applications. We need a real conversation about whether and how we want this technology to be used, and now is the time for that debate."

She points out that the government is already armed databases of photos of law-abiding citizens (drivers license DBs), but that it only lacks the algorithms to cross-reference that database with spotted faces in real-time.

II. BOSS Shows Modest Success, But is Imperfect

The BOSS system was developed at a Kentucky branch office last year, in conjunction with the laboratory of Aly Farag, a Univ. of Louisville computer vision specialist. The completed device utilized "a smart optical sensor augmented with range measurement, infrared acquisition (IR), and mobility for image acquisition."

In late 2012 it was field tested at a Kennewick, Wash. stadium where the system identified 30 targets out a crowd of 1,000. The testing was carried out with the assistance of the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNL). EWA VP Ed Tivol told The New York Times that when the system was first created it took six to eight minutes to process an image, but by the time of the final testing, it could process them in under 30 seconds.

While the system fell short of its goal of 80 to 90 percent recognition at 100 m -- something Mr. Tivol says "has never been done" -- it did achieve 60 to 70 percent confidence, as algorithms to deal with shadows and variable lighting in public locations were tweaked.

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The system was tested at the Kennewick, Wash. Toyota Center. [Image Source: WSU]​

The result was close, but a bit to slow and a bit too inaccurate for mass deployment. In the DHS's words -- "It was not ready for [our] customer [a government agency]."

EWA is not alone in its goal of allowing the government to "spot" you in the wild. Carnegie Mellon University has developed advanced facial recognition software as part of a DARPA funded research project. The FBI has called using facial recognition to track members of the public a "top goal" and has budgeted a $1B USD towards the effort.

The FBI used a crude early version of its technologyto try to identify the Boston Bombing attack suspects, but the system came up short.

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The FBI tried to use facial recognition to ID the Boston bombing suspects, but the system failed. [Image Source: FBI/Salon]​

A (literally) killer app for the FBI, DHS, and military would be to combined a network of civilian and government cameras to identify "terrorists" on the ground, while having lightweight versions of the same facial recognition algorithms loaded into low power drone processors so that responding drones could confirm the target identity, once deployed to the general location based on the ground camera network info.

Such a system could be supported by an automated backend that takes personal information (names, addresses, etc.) and tracks down pictures of a suspected "terrorist", etc. on the internet (e.g. Raytheon Comp.'s (RTN) "RIOT" system) which would then be fed into a database to trigger the ground camera network to hunt for the suspect's face and then send an appropriate action to the drones' controlling database.

One dropdown might designate an individual for "capture" by a drone, while another might designated them for death.

III. EWA Paid of Politicians to Score Big Brother System Contract

EWA GSI has deep ties to many former or present members of Congress, which perhaps explains part of why Congress approved funding of its Orwellian project. Campaign finance records reveal [source: 1, 2, 3] EWA vice presidents donated to the campaigns of former Rep. Alan Mollohan (D - West Virg.), Democrat-turned-Republican former Rep. Virgil Goode (D, then R - Virg.), former Rep. Tom Feeney (R- Flor.), and senate minority leader Sen. Mitch McConnell (R - Kent.). EWA's President donated generously to late former Rep. John Murtha (R-Penn.).

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Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Kent.) funneled kickbacks to EWA. [Image Source: AP]​

Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D - Tex.) also received donations directly for EWA GSI via the BEST PAC. EWA also directly funded funded current Rep. John Mica (R - Flor.), former Rep. Mollohan, and former Rep. Murtha, according to OpenSecrets.

Both Rep. Feeney and Rep. Murtha share checkered records, with Mr. Feeney be accused of voter fraud in 2004 and more significantly Rep. Murtha who was under investigation by the FBI at the time of his death for earmarks in various bills for small defense contractors (like EWA).

These payments appeared to be paying off -- Rep. Mollogna was personally responsible for earmarks that funded EWA GSI's work. According to information that Roll Call dug up:

Raytheon and Trex Enterprises — received $2 million in earmarks requested by Reyes in the Defense appropriations bill. In the same bill, Electronic Warfare Associates received a $5 million earmark from Mollohan, and Concurrent Technologies received $7 million in three separate earmarks requested by Murtha.

The earmark in question for a "BIGFOOT Tag Receiver" can be found here on Earmark Watch and was attached to the 2008 House Defense appropriations bill [PDF]. Bigfoot is a proprietary active RFID tag/beacon [PDF] that EWA markets.

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Both Congress and the President are happy to hand out spying contracts, for the right price.
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Former Rep. Mollohan also received heavy donation from Azimuth, Inc., a defense contractor who EWA serves as a "mentor" firm to. Azimuth scored a $20M USD DHS contract in 2005. At the time Rep. Mollohan defended these earmarks, and is quoted by Free Republic as saying, "All I care about is supporting companies and [federal] programs that companies are doing in my Congressional district."

But the real punch line comes from the $6M USD earmark given to EWA and the Univ. of Louisville in 2010 as part of the 2010 Defense Appropriations bill. In other words, EWA officials "sponsored" Senate minority leader Sen. Mitch McConnell and were then lavished with a $6M USD contract.
 
you cant just toss that out their without any back up data. what context? when? why?

Did he say "we kill our citizens over seas" or did he say" Citizens operating in hostile locations might become acceptable collateral damage" or "Citizens participating in hostile actions to harm our country are fair targets" cause those are VERY different things.

this was HUGE news a while back, well unless you get your news from mainstream liberal media like MSNBC, etc. I'll just paste a small quote from an article. The concern was what do they know that we don't and why does it seem like they're preparing for a police state was the general vibe going around.

"On Monday, renowned author and humanitarian Dr. Jim Garrow made a shocking claim about what we can expect to see in Obama’s second term.

Garrow made the following Facebook post:
I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.
So, who is the source?
Garrow replied: “The man who told me this is one of America’s foremost military heroes.”"
 
Unsubstantiated reports are just that Unsubstantiated. That being said a "Worst Case Scenario" Prep plan that may involve Laying fire on citizens has been on the books since the mid 40's. It often gets drummed up whenever some one wants to take shots at what ever administration happens to be in power. Other plans that are also in the Books also have the following "zombie outbreak", "invasion by (insert nation here)", "viral out break calling for marshal law", "invasion from space" and last but not least "civil war". There is a group of people sitting in a bunker somewhere who's job it is to come up with plans for everything.

This whole NSA watching you thing that has been tossed around like its all his fault. Its not running under his watch, its STILL running under his watch. if you think that this has been going on only on his watch your foolish. this has been going on for at LEAST 20ish years.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Unsubstantiated. Well, that is until he releases an autobiography after divorcing Hillary and laughs at us all. =)


anything could be, just sayin
 
you cant just toss that out their without any back up data. what context? when? why?
Did he say "we kill our citizens over seas" or did he say" Citizens operating in hostile locations might become acceptable collateral damage" or "Citizens participating in hostile actions to harm our country are fair targets" cause those are VERY different things.

It happened a while ago so I don't remember the reasoning but a terrorist who happened to be a U.S. citizen was the target of a drone strike. Doing this set precedent for future strikes on U.S. citizens deemed terrorists by the government. Drone Strike Article

I think privacy and security is a balancing act that nobody is ever going to agree on. No one likes the idea of a group of government officials labeling citizens terrorists and killing them without due process. But if that terrorist had the time to go through with an attack then many of those same people would be asking why more wasn't done.
 
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