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Washington (CNN) -- [Breaking news update at 10:01 a.m. ET]

(CNN) -- The Senate for a fourth time rejected a spending plan by House Republicans that included a provision to undermine Obamacare, also spurning a GOP call to set up a conference committee that would seek a compromise in the stalemate that caused the government to shut down Tuesday.

[Original story, publish at 9:30 a.m. ET]

Government shutdown: 800,000 workers go without pay; Congress in stalemate

The game of chicken failed. Neither side blinked. Now millions will pay the price.

Americans watched a colossal failure by Congress overnight and the shutdown of their government.
For weeks, the House and the Senate blamed and bickered, each claiming they're standing up for what the public wants.
In the end, it led to the one outcome nobody wanted -- one that will stop 800,000 Americans from getting paid and could cost the economy about $1 billion a week.

"Agencies should now execute plans for an orderly shutdown due to the absence of appropriations," the Office of Management and Budget said in a note it sent to federal employees.

This is the first time the government has shut down in nearly 18 years. The last time it did, the stalemate lasted 21 days during the Clinton administration.

Now, the Republican-controlled House and the Democrat-controlled Senate will try to see if they can reconcile their two versions of the spending plan at the center of the debate. So far, each has refused to budge on how to fund the government in the new fiscal year that started Tuesday.

The Senate reconvenes Tuesday morning and is expected to reject the latest proposal by House Republicans, which would delay Obamacare for a year and end government-provided health care for the president, members of Congress and their staff while funding the government for 11 weeks.

In addition, the House GOP plan proposes a conference committee with the Senate to work out a compromise. Such a committee is usually the result of competing legislation from the two chambers on major issues, rather than a short-term continuing resolution intended to keep the government running for a matter of weeks.

At the heart of the issue is the insistence by House Republicans that any spending plan for the new fiscal year include anti-Obamacare amendments. Senate Democrats are just as insistent that it doesn't.

Obamacare, as President Barack Obama's signature health care plan is known, isn't directly tied to funding the government. But it's so unpopular among the Republican tea party conservatives that they want it undercut, if not outright repealed.

The health care law "is the most insidious law known to man," Republican Rep. Todd Rokita of Indiana said.
White House spokesman Jay Carney told CNN on Tuesday that such intransigence is the root of the shutdown, noting that conservative Republicans such as Rokita are the only ones pushing a political agenda for meeting the congressional responsibility of passing a budget.

Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, a leading liberal voice, told CNN on Tuesday that he is open to negotiations with the House on at least one specific provision of Obamacare -- a tax on medical devices that some in both party oppose.
However, Durbin echoed the position of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that such negotiations must be separated from the spending impasse that has shut down the government.

"The conversation should continue, but let's not do it with our government shutdown," he said.

On the Republican side, Rep. Darrell Issa of California said he could vote to fund the government for a few days or weeks to provide time for a conference committee to work out a compromise.

"I personally would vote for 10 days, even 30 days if that was necessary so that we could resolve these differences," Issa told CNN on Tuesday.

Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the shutdown gives the United States a black eye.

"It is a dangerous message to the world," he said. "We tell other nations that we believe that they have to have certain disciplines. And yet, we cannot ultimately keep our own budget open and the nation and its government functioning."
Amid the finger-wagging and fulminating, the new health insurance went into effect on schedule Tuesday.

"The Affordable Care Act is moving forward. You can't shut it down,"said a post on Barack Obama's verified Twitter feed.

What's next

About an hour after the shutdown began at 12:01 a.m. ET Tuesday, House members voted to once again tack on the anti-Obamacare amendments that the Senate labels as deal-breakers. They also requested the conference with the Senate to work out their differences.

But Reid said he wouldn't agree to such a meeting until the House presents a clean spending bill stripped of the provisions to undermine Obamacare, declaring "we will not go to conference with a gun to our head."

A predictable pattern of legislative stalemate took place in the run-up to Tuesday's simultaneous start of a new fiscal year and implementation of the Obamacare private exchanges, a major component of the health care reforms tied to the individual mandate for people to obtain health coverage that conservatives despise.

The House three times sent a version of the short-term spending plan with anti-Obamacare amendments to the Senate, which stripped away the provisions it opposed and sent it back.

Democrats insist that the House pass a spending measure that contains no Obamacare amendments. That position is supported by the Democratic minority and enough moderate Repubicans to overcome opposition by the GOP conservative wing.

House Speaker John Boehner speaking in the early hours of Tuesday, after the shutdown began after the Senate again rejected the latest House GOP proposal, said he hoped Senate Democrats would agree to meet.
Asked if he had a message for the 800,000 furloughed employees -- or if he has a plan to restore back pay to them -- Boehner responded, "The House has voted to keep the government open, but we also want basic fairness for all Americans under Obamacare."

He then walked away from the podium.

A blow to the economy

The shutdown won't happen all at once. The federal government is the country's largest employer.
Federal employees who are considered essential will continue working. Those deemed non-essential -- more than 800,000 -- will be furloughed, unsure when they'll be able to work or get paid again. Most furloughed federal workers are supposed to be out of their offices within four hours of the start of business Tuesday.

The shutdown could cost the still-struggling U.S. economy about $1 billion a week in pay lost by furloughed federal workers. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

While many agencies have reserve funds and contingency plans that would give them some short-term leeway, the economic loss would snowball as the shutdown continued.

The total economic impact is likely to be at least 10 times greater than the simple calculation of lost wages of federal workers, said Brian Kessler, economist with Moody's Analytics. His firm estimates that a three- to four-week shutdown would cost the economy about $55 billion.

Initial market reaction around the world was muted early Tuesday morning.

Lisa Buckley, who co-owns the Denver-based American Automation security firm, counts on government contracts for 60% of her business. She's worried about how she'll pay her employees if the shutdown drags on.

"It's quite irresponsible how the government has been running the country," Buckley said. "If I ran my business like Congress has been handling the budget, I'd lose my job."

Troops will still get paid

Congress actually managed to come together to pass one bill -- unanimously, at that.

The Senate approved a House-approved measure Monday to ensure members of the military would continue to get paid during the shutdown. Obama signed off on it.

"You and your families deserve better than the dysfunction we're seeing in Congress," the president said in a video message to troops and Defense Department employees early Tuesday morning.

But it's uncertain how the shutdown will affect military veterans, including the 3.3 million who are disabled.
If the shutdown stretches into late October, the Veterans Affairs Department -- meaning disability and pension checks could stop for elderly and ill veterans.

"That's what they need to pay rent, to pay food," said Tom Tarantino of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. "It's not their total income, but it is a significant part of it."

Congressional paychecks also safe

Although much of the federal workforce will go without pay, checks will keep coming to the 533 current members of Congress.

Why? The 27th Amendment prevents any Congress from changing its own pay.

"That is disgraceful in my view," said freshman Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii. "Basically the only people who get paid in a shutdown are members of Congress, and that is irresponsible."

The combat veteran said she plans to send any pay she receives during the shutdown back to the Treasury.
Rep. John Fleming, R-Louisiana, said he hadn't thought through what he would do with his paychecks, but said he would likely donate his pay during a shutdown to charity.

"Obviously we need to share the pain of the American people," he said.

The president too will get paid. His salary -- $400,000 -- is considered mandatory spending.
On Monday, Attorney General Eric Holder said he would take a pay cut equal to the Justice Department employees most severely impacted by a shutdown.

10 ways the shutdown would affect you

Obamacare still focus

Democrats have pressured Boehner to give up a losing fight over Obamacare forced by tea party conservatives.
Noting that the 2010 Affordable Care Act has been upheld by the Supreme Court, they say it is settled law that voters endorsed last year by re-electing Obama over GOP candidate Mitt Romney, who campaigned on repealing it.
"They are fixated on embarrassing our president, the president of the United States," Reid said.

Some Republicans too expressed frustration Monday with the tactics of their congressional colleagues. Veteran GOP Sen. John McCain of Arizona noted that any attempt to repeal Obamacare would fail because of Obama's veto, which would require a two-thirds majority in the Senate to overcome.

GOP Rep. Peter King of New York said the problem is tea party conservatives driving the Republican agenda in the House.
"We have people in the conference, I believe, who'd be just as happy to have the government shut down," King said. "They live in these narrow echo chambers. They listen to themselves and their tea party friends. That keeps them going, forgetting that the rest of the country thinks we're crazy."

Public reaction

A game of chicken between Dems, GOP
According to a CNN/ORC poll, 68% of Americans think shutting down the government for even a few days is a bad idea, while 27% think it's a good idea.

And it appears most Americans would blame congressional Republicans for a shutdown: Sixty-nine percent said they agreed with the statement that the party's elected officials were acting like "spoiled children."

Democrats, however, weren't far behind: Fifty-eight percent of respondents said they, too, were acting like spoiled kids.
Another poll showed public support for Congress at record low levels -- at 10%.

"Things like this can have such a big impact on people that aren't in the limelight. You know, people that are out working hourly positions" said Quinn Agard, who works on Liberty Island, the home of the Statue of Liberty.

More than 21,000 national park employees will be furloughed. Thousands more -- like cleanup crews and concession employees -- will be left without pay.

"This whole island will be shut down. So that's a ton of different positions that people wont be working and won't be getting paid for," Agard said.

The island draws up to 4 million visitors a year. And at $17 per adult ticket, it's also a big money maker.
Victoria Duncan, a concession stand worker at Liberty Island, is worried about what she'll do next.

"I'll have to find another job if they're not paying us while we're laid off, or file for unemployment. But it's still not going to be enough," she said. "It's hard. Even to think about it, is hard to think about."

CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame
Meet the man behind the government shutdown
 
Congress still gets paid and so does the president. Thats one reason why they don't care if the government shuts down. I applaud John Flemming for giving up his paycheck and other members of congress should take his example and follow.

I am Republican. I agree with them for not backing down because i agree with what they are trying to pass but i think both sides need to stop being children and come to an agreement so the government can start working again.
 
Congress still gets paid and so does the president. Thats one reason why they don't care if the government shuts down. I applaud John Flemming for giving up his paycheck and other members of congress should take his example and follow.

I am Republican. I agree with them for not backing down because i agree with what they are trying to pass but i think both sides need to stop being children and come to an agreement so the government can start working again.

To be fair, there's nothing they can do about that because of the 27th Ammendment. At least as far as Congress is concerned, and I don't think that a vote to not pay the President would be passed. I think he is considered an essential function.
 
To be fair, there's nothing they can do about that because of the 27th Ammendment. At least as far as Congress is concerned, and I don't think that a vote to not pay the President would be passed. I think he is considered an essential function.

Yeah i was reading that, "Congress can't change their own pay"
 
This seems to happen at least once every presidency.

Last time was 18 years ago under Clinton. So every Democrat Presidency.[DOUBLEPOST=1380642597,1380642513][/DOUBLEPOST]
Yeah i was reading that, "Congress can't change their own pay"

Needs to be reworded to "Congress can't INCREASE their own pay." But Ammendments are a bitch to change unless there is a huge amount of support, which is as intended.
 
Courtesy of Liam O'Brien's twitter feed, edited for extra rhyming:

"It was a quarter of dawn, all the Who’s still a-bed, All the Who’s still a-snooze, when Congress packed up their sled.
Packed it up with their space flights, their programs, their funding, Their parks and museums, their [boisterous thumping].
Ten thousand feet up, up the side of mount [Fuck-it], They rode with their load to the tip top to [chuck it]!
'Pooh-pooh to the Who's!' they were Grinchily Humming. 'They're finding out now that no government's coming!'"
 
Vote them out of office, get rid of them. Then have your newly elected representatives sign a bill into law that cuts their pay and makes THEM stop getting paid during times like this. Ive had just about enough of this shit honestly.
 
Several Senators and Representatives have said that they will refuse their pay during the shutdown or donate it to charities.

From the Washington Post:

Several lawmakers have already said that they plan to donate or refuse compensation earned over the course of the impasse. Here's a running tally that we will continue updating through the day:

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio): His office said in a statement that the senator "will not accept his federal salary accrued during the government shutdown and will instead donate it to charity. In 2011, Brown pledged to forego his salary in the event of a government shutdown. Following the 1995 shutdown, Brown donated his salary to various charities in his then-House District." He will donate his salary this time to the Ohio-based Honor Flight Network.

Sen. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.): The senator plans to donate pay earned during the shutdown to a Delaware charity, a spokeswoman said.

Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.): He has asked that his pay be withheld "for the length of the shutdown," according to his office. He is a co-sponsor of the Government Shutdown Fairness Act,

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.): A spokeswoman says the senator "will not be paid during the federal shutdown. He donates to charity and does not believe a government shutdown should necessitate charitable contributions, compassion for fellow man should."

Rep. Steve Daines (R-Mont.): He will donate his salary during the shutdown to the Big Sky Honor Flight, his office said Tuesday.

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii): She said last Friday that "until federal employees who must work during the shutdown are paid. I am proud to stand with the hardworking federal employees at Camp Parks in Dublin and across the country by ensuring that I am treated no differently in this situation.”

Rep. Pete Gallego (D-Tex.): The freshman lawmaker said Monday, "I will be donating my salary to an organization that helps military men and women who are injured while serving their country. They have sacrificed - Congress should heed their example." On Saturday he also introduced the "Shutdown Member of Congress Pay Act," which would -- you guessed it -- withhold lawmaker pay in the event of a shutdown.

Rep. Derek Kilmer (D-Wash.): On his Facebook page, he said he would give up his pay "for the duration of a government shutdown. I am dead set against a shutdown because it will have serious effects on our economy and because many people rely on services provided by federal agencies. The fact that some in Congress would risk a shutdown in order to score political points demonstrates why Congress is currently held in lower regard than head lice."

Rep. Markwayne Mullins (R-Okla.): He is donating his pay over the course of the shutdown, according to his office.

Rep. Gary Peters (D-Mich.): He announced last week via Twitter that he would donate his pay during the shutdown to charity.

Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.): He is likely to donate his salary for the duration of the shutdown, according to aides, who note that he already gives 15 percent of his salary back to the U.S. Treasury to help pay down the federal debt.

Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.): He announced about a week ago that he plans to donate his pay earned during the shutdown to charity.

Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.): The freshman announced Monday that he would refuse his pay "until federal employees who must work during the shutdown are paid."

Rep. Niki Tsongas (D-Mass.): In a statement issued Tuesday morning, she said she "will not accept a pay check for the duration of the government shutdown."

Rep. Ann Wagner (R-Mo.): On her Facebook page, she said "As a result of partisan bickering and gridlock, I have waived my salary for the duration of the government shutdown because Congress didn’t get the job done. Those who make the laws should have to live by those laws, and I will continue to fight for the people of Missouri’s 2nd District."

Others who have said they will refuse their pay:
Rep. Ron Barber (D-Ariz.)
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.)
Rep. Colleen Hanabusa (D-Hawaii)
Rep. Bill Johnson (R-Ohio)
Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-Fla.)
Rep. Diane Black (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.)
Rep. Robert Pittenger (R-N.C.)
Rep. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.)
Rep. Bill Flores (R-Tex.)
Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D-N.M.)
Rep. John Barrow (D-Ga.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...rs-will-refuse-their-pay-during-the-shutdown/
 
Come on Connecticut representatives where are you D:

I dunno, I kind of see it as a hollow gesture, but it's something I guess.

I have sent angry emails to the reps from my district. I really don't care if they refuse their pay or not, they just need to fix this now.[DOUBLEPOST=1380657090,1380657045][/DOUBLEPOST]
Only 26? I would have thought more would have manned up.

More may join in. It looked like they intended to keep it updated.
 
Defunding a law isn't a constitutionally acceptable way around repealing it. Especially since that law was passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President, and ruled constitutional by the (very conservative) Supreme Court. Democrats didn't accept the budget proposed by the Republican-controlled House because Republicans intentionally made it unacceptable.

Because ultimately, this wasn't a principled stand against tyranny. They wanted the government to shut down, and have been planning to do it for years. They spoke very soberly about Ted Cruz taking things too far, but ultimately, all but one of them voted for his proposal. When the government shut down, Republicans didn't hang their heads over those stubborn Democats - they were thrilled. Giddy. This was the plan all along.

It's not a "both sides" kind of thing this time.

 
Defunding a law isn't a constitutionally acceptable way around repealing it. Especially since that law was passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President, and ruled constitutional by the (very conservative) Supreme Court. Democrats didn't accept the budget proposed by the Republican-controlled House because Republicans intentionally made it unacceptable.



Because ultimately, this wasn't a principled stand against tyranny. They wanted the government to shut down, and have been planning to do it for years. They spoke very soberly about Ted Cruz taking things too far, but ultimately, all but one of them voted for his proposal. When the government shut down, Republicans didn't hang their heads over those stubborn Democats - they were thrilled. Giddy. This was the plan all along.



It's not a "both sides" kind of thing this time.

As a non American, this is exactly how all of this looks to me. With what ive got over the last few months, Republicans have been constantly attacking this Obama Care even after it was passed as a law and before it was even implemented to actually see results. Their idea of coming to a 'middle ground' just cannot work in politics, this is why a party is voted to lead every 4 years. As soon as you try to reach this ground especially for bills in which both main parties are so opposite against, you just start making compromises which leads to a half assed plan that cannot work. So instead they have used this bill as a way of attacking Obama and the Democratic party directly, to ensure their party is voted into presidency next term. This then started backfiring as statistics showed more Americans blaming the Republicans for the government shutdown instead of the Democratics, so now they have turned to "We arnt even accepting our wages, arnt we just the top blokes". Well no, because as stated by RedOmen they have been planning this for years, just waiting to pull the rug from beneath Obama's feet and really guys how much are they going to struggle without their 2 week pay compared to the hundreds of thousands that will. edit: Plus i just saw its estimated to cost $200M/day the government is shutdown, thats unbelievable..

Again im not American, and I struggle to understand the American Government Structure but this is just how it looks like from my point of view half way across the world. In the great words of Jon Stewart about the ever occurring Republican statement (that drives me crazy) 'Obama negotiates with Iran but wont with us", "Well boys there may be a problem with us (Republicans)"
 
Honestly it's sour grapes by the far right of the Republican party. They don't like Obamacare, they pinned their hopes on winning the Presidency and the senate on it and lost big time. Now they are trying to relitigate it again when there is absolutely no way that's it's going away now. If they just approve a bill in Congress without trying to defund obamacare, then the sentae and president will sign it and we can move on. But the tea party now controls the republicans in Congress because they are all more concerned with being re-elected than doing their jobs. They are afraid if they don't do this then the tea party will have someone run against them in the primary with the tea party backing.

Basically these guys are cowards. They want to be relected so bad that they will sell their souls and cower in fear to the far right.
 
I miss my facepalm rating.

But back on track. It takes 2 to tango. You can't lay blame on one side of the party without pointing fingers at the other. Well i think you can but it certainly isn't the right way to see the situation. The democrats have been so far up Obamas but that at the snap of a finger they will defend Obamacare to the point of a shutdown, Even refuses to see compromise by the kind and caring Republicans. <See what i did there?

Just like Kels post, I didn't see any Democrats helping the WW2 vets out when they came to see the memorial.

I see both sides to blame for the government shutdown. I am glad the Republicans are sticking up for the things i believe in but their approach needs a little finesse. Obamacare should not be allowed, it is one of the worst ideas i have ever heard of.
 
Honestly it's sour grapes by the far right of the Republican party. They don't like Obamacare, they pinned their hopes on winning the Presidency and the senate on it and lost big time. Now they are trying to relitigate it again when there is absolutely no way that's it's going away now. If they just approve a bill in Congress without trying to defund obamacare, then the sentae and president will sign it and we can move on. But the tea party now controls the republicans in Congress because they are all more concerned with being re-elected than doing their jobs. They are afraid if they don't do this then the tea party will have someone run against them in the primary with the tea party backing.

Basically these guys are cowards. They want to be relected so bad that they will sell their souls and cower in fear to the far right.

I disagree that they are cowards. I think they are zealots, which takes its own kind of courage, misdirected and nearsighted as it may be. Political terrorists, if you will.

If you can't tell, I'm really pissed that this happened. I agree that Republicans are largely to blame for this situation, but lets not forget what led to this. The President has not presented a budget for years. I could blame the Republicans completely if the President was doing his job. For the life of me, I don't understand why the President doesn't propose a budget. It seems like it would make more sense politically to propose it and let the Republicans block it; it would be much easier to blame them and rightfully so.

The Affordable Care Act is a mess, but more than that, I don't want government run healthcare, just on principle.

Defunding programs is allowed under the Constitution. The Congress controls spending, it's part of the balancing act. It's used by both sides to buy time while they try to figure other things out. Whether or not it's a good idea is another thing altogether, but it is allowed under the Constitution.

As far as the Supreme Court ruling in favor of ObamaCare, they had to bend over backwards to do it. They actually changed wording in the law, changing the "penalty" into a "tax" so the individual mandate would be technically allowed. I think that ruling was a travesty and an overstep of court authority. It should have been kicked back for Congress to fix instead of Chief Justice Roberts editing it for them. That whole situation was just weird. I wonder if we will learn in his memoirs that Obama had pictures of him with a little boy or something. It was that out of character.
 
This whole thing is just sour grapes.... Democrats have already comprimised on funding the government. They spending bill they are willing to pass is at the republicans requested number. And I'm sorry, just because you don't like a law, doesn't give you the right to hold the whole government hostage. What if the President said he would not not fund the government if republicans did not agree to two week background checks for any gun purchase? Republicans would go absolutely bonkers. That's EXACTLY what is happening here. Obamacare was voted on, passed, upheld by the Suprememe Court, and then even debated and used as a deciding issues in the last election, and guess what the public still voted for the President and Swenate dems. They even cut down the repubulican majority in the house. These guys are just mad because they can't have their way all the time.


I for one am extremely happy that comprehensive healthcare is finally here. I believe the affordable care act aka Obamacare addresses the fundamental problem with healthcare today which is rising cost. What the republicans are offering (a tax credit) is the dumbest possible idea. Give someone a tax credit and the insurance companies are just going to raise you rate to the level to take every penny of that credit. It does nothing to address the fundamental issue that healthcare rates continue to rise.
 
I for one am extremely happy that comprehensive healthcare is finally here. I believe the affordable care act aka Obamacare addresses the fundamental problem with healthcare today which is rising cost. What the republicans are offering (a tax credit) is the dumbest possible idea. Give someone a tax credit and the insurance companies are just going to raise you rate to the level to take every penny of that credit. It does nothing to address the fundamental issue that healthcare rates continue to rise.

My healthcare raised anyway because of the Obamacare which hasn't even taken effect yet. If it ever goes through i might as well go live secluded in the wilderness than pay the outrageous prices the insurance companies are going to make us pay BECAUSE of Obamacare
 
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